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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For this week’s SpaceDotBiz newsletter, I interviewed entrepreneur and aerospace engineer Payam Banazadeh. Payam co-founded Capella Space in 2016 and led the company for nearly eight years until only recently stepping back from the CEO role this past October. Capella is a leading commercial provider of Synthetic Aperture Radar imagery, primarily servicing the US government and allied nations in their need for persistent remote sensing. While Capella’s current valuation is not public, they most recently raised $60M in growth equity financing in January of this year, and the company has raised a total of $250M in its history. Payam remains a board member of the company.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="border-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;border-style:solid;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing:border-box;border-color:#E5E7EB;" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/aaea16ca-c299-4c41-a05e-658c9649d731/image.png?t=1705887050"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Payam Banazadeh</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Payam received his BS in Aerospace Engineering from the University of Texas at Austin before spending two year’s at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. As a Project Systems Engineer at JPL, he led early mission formulations for two interplanetary deep space missions, Lunar Flashlight and NEA Scout. He then went back to school to pursue an MS in Business & Management at Stanford, where he also conducted research in the Aerospace Department’s Space Rendezvous Lab.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">At Stanford, while taking a course titled “Hacking for Defense”, which tasks students to uncover defense needs while interviewing military stakeholders, he started Capella Space and raised the company’s first capital before graduating.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In this interview, we chatted about a ton of topics including:</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The role Capella has played in the Russian invasion of Ukraine</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What he would do differently if he started Capella today</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">How they’re innovating on remote sensing distribution</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What customers they’ve decided to focus on and why</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">SAR price elasticity and how demand changes with price</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">How changes in launch have impacted Capella</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">His thoughts on partnerships and sub-contracting in space industry</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">His opinion on how public markets are pricing remote sensing companies</p></li></ul><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="how-is-capella-differentiated-from-">How is Capella differentiated from other major SAR providers, such as ICEYE or Umbra?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So first of all, I am no longer the CEO of Capella, and I&#39;m doing this interview in my capacity as an entrepreneur, and therefore my answers should be sort of treated as a view of Payam as an individual and not of Capella&#39;s position on these topics. Having said that, Capella is the Rolls Royce of commercial SAR. The services that Capella provides are premium and tailored to high-end and sophisticated customers that require the finest service. I would say unlike others, Capella is not trying to be everything to everyone. And we made that decision to be laser focused on the government customers a long time ago, and it&#39;s worked out for us really well.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="border-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;border-style:solid;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing:border-box;border-color:#E5E7EB;" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/0444eb6c-08f6-4b80-8a69-2db9c1c97c54/image.png?t=1705886510"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Capella’s next generation “Acadia” satellites</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="one-of-the-major-themes-in-remote-s">One of the major themes in remote sensing over the last year has been in the role that companies played in bringing transparency to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Capella has been one of the major organizations in that discussion. Can you talk about Capella’s impact there?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Capella was one of the first Earth Observation companies that stood up a dedicated team to work on this mission before the invasion. We took a pretty intentional decision to release imagery publicly of that region, and our imagery was actually used to predict an imminent invasion. Since then our imagery has been used by the US government, Ukrainian allies, and partners to literally save lives and fight for preserving democracy.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In a lot of ways, commercial SAR really got lucky to have been at a point of maturity where its applicability could be demonstrated in a very public way. The weather in Ukraine, when the invasion happened, was bad, it was really cloudy. It was wintertime and since SAR can see through clouds, it was pretty much one of the most effective ways of monitoring the situation from space. Nothing else was really available. Specifically commercial SAR was particularly impactful because it could be released publicly without any of the government’s classifications and restrictions. We had a significant impact and continue to have that impact. I&#39;m immensely proud of what we&#39;ve done and accomplished there, and we&#39;re doing, not just in Ukraine, but in other places around the world we can&#39;t really talk about.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Unfortunately, I think those instances are only going to increase in frequency and I&#39;m really happy we have this tool in our toolkit called “commercial SAR” that we can utilize to solve critical problems.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="border-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;border-style:solid;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing:border-box;border-color:#E5E7EB;" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/f961ccc0-78b1-4f1a-88cf-b336086dc6eb/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>The above Capella imagery taken on February 24th, 2022, showed Russian vehicles amassed 5km from the Ukrainian border</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="youve-recently-stepped-away-from-yo">You’ve recently stepped away from your role as CEO of Capella and are now a board member but not involved in the day-to-day operations. Looking back on your time at Capella, what would you tell your younger self if you were starting Capella today?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Building Capella has been a very humbling experience. Those who met me during the first two, or three years of Capella between 2016 to 2018 will probably remember me as someone with a big head and an even bigger ego. And even though my conviction was extremely beneficial in getting Capella off the ground, I think I could have done it without being as cocky as I was. And I think that&#39;s just maturity.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="what-would-you-do-differently">What would you do differently?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I don&#39;t want to sound cliche, but I think there are literally too many things to count that I would do differently. In fact, I&#39;ve written extensively in my personal journal on all I would do differently for my next company, but I&#39;ll share one that I think is very applicable these days to founders starting new companies. I think raising venture capital is extremely delicate. It needs to be treated with a lot of thoughtfulness from day one, especially the amount you raise and the timing of your very first raise. I don&#39;t think you&#39;ll find many entrepreneurs who have perfectly timed their fundraising as it&#39;s really, really difficult to do that. I personally have lots of bruises and cuts that are going to remind me of all the mistakes I&#39;ve made for the next one. Don&#39;t raise until you truly are ready, raise small amounts, but enough to achieve a significant milestone and raise at valuations that set you up for success. It&#39;s easier said than done, but it&#39;s such a huge factor in the success of you as an entrepreneur and therefore the company.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="well-i-think-the-other-added-factor">Well, I think the other added factor of this is when you were starting Capella in 2016, what was an appropriate early funding round size? I think that question remains even now, but it was more unclear at the time. What is an appropriate valuation and timing between rounds too? So I think it is just very hard for a founder. Especially if the market dynamics are changing in real-time, which they always are, but especially now.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">They’re especially changing in the last two years. I started Capella in 2016 and in a lot of ways, because there weren&#39;t enough space companies out there, the valuation discussion was a lot more wishy-washy. Now there are public comp multiples and there are other companies where you can look at their history. And so I think maybe it&#39;s a little easier now to project forward, and to think through different rounds because there&#39;s just a lot more data points than what we had back in 2016.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="a-frequently-emphasized-topic-in-th">A frequently emphasized topic in the remote sensing world is the split between government and commercial markets and how companies choose to navigate those customers. What has been Capella’s path and why have you chosen that path?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So when I first started Capella, I wanted Capella to be a commercially focused company. In fact, it was incredibly difficult to get interest from investors when I presented Capella as a defense tech company back then. That was 2016, American Dynamism was not a thing like how it is today, but a couple years after I started it, I realized that governments have substantial demand for solutions with existential problems that require urgency and frankly, a perfect product-market fit for what we have. So we decided to have that laser-sharp focus on the government market. I think it&#39;s really, really difficult to split your focus between government and commercial. There&#39;s this term that people use dual-use technology, and I think as much as people love talking about it, the reality is that you can&#39;t really half-ass your productization and go to market and be truly successful in the government market.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Government can&#39;t be an afterthought as a customer. You need to pick one and focus on it. We picked government as our initial market. I think that&#39;s the right answer for Earth Observation in the short term. It doesn&#39;t mean that Capella is not interested in commercial. This is simply an order of business and a strategy to help get Capella to profitability faster with less capital than if we had either split our focus between government and commercial, or worse if we put more focus on commercial as a strategy. And the nice thing now is that we&#39;re sort of outsourcing the market development on the commercial side to our competitors because they seem to be very eager to go after commercial. So our competitors can use their very expensive equity dollars to chase new markets, develop use cases, try risky business models, and guess what? All of their success and failures will be played out in public, and we&#39;ll just learn from that and do the right thing. So I am a strong believer of focusing on the market as opposed to splitting your focus between two very difficult and very different markets.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="with-regards-to-focusing-on-the-def">With regards to focusing on the defense market, given that historically pretty much all Earth Observation companies have ultimately focused on the defense market, it sounds like it’s more contrarian to target a commercial market. Even a company like Planet that initially focused on commercial eventually seems to have moved primarily to defense. So in that way I see where you’re coming from.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think Planet is a good example. They started the company wanting to focus on commercial and then they realized later on that that was the wrong strategy and they pivoted back to focusing on defense. And I did a little bit of that myself too. For the first couple years, we wanted to be more focused on commercial, but when you realize the reality is different than what you hope, you must adjust and do what the market wishes you to do.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="when-i-talked-with-dan-berkenstock-">When I talked with Dan Berkenstock of Skybox, he discussed about how they had wanted to innovate not only the imagery they could generate, but in how that imagery is “piped” or distributed. Has Capella focused on changes to the distribution of data as well, or primarily on innovation around the data generation in the form of your satellites and sensor technology?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, I would say half of our focus actually was put on distribution of data and building the right pipeline for it. We developed and released many firsts in the industry in that segment, our entire pipeline from ordering to delivery was fully automated and has been automated since 2019 with full API integration. Even to this day, Capella wins on contracts because ordering from others is still slow and painful, often ordering over email, and it&#39;s not fully automated. We&#39;ve had that sort of simple ordering system. We pioneered real-time tasking by partnering with Inmarsat in 2018, and we&#39;ve been providing that service since then.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We&#39;ve practically laid the groundwork for what is now becoming a gold standard for what a 21st-century satellite tasking delivery needs to look like, and customers now have that expectation. And so I smile when I see others in 2023 and 2024 release a limited version of what has been an operation for Capella since 2019 and claim first in the market.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It&#39;s not to be underestimated, by the way, how much time it takes to build everything except the satellite. The satellite is hard, but everything else is, I would say, equally as hard and important as the satellite.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="thats-interesting-to-hear-you-say-s">That&#39;s interesting to hear you say, since I also see discussion around integrations with APIs, and I was not aware that that&#39;s something that Capella had fully automated, I guess four years ago at this point.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, it&#39;s been fully operational since the first launch of our satellite in 2019. Part of the reason, and I&#39;m a little biased here, that everyone else has accelerated their plans to build APIs and exaggerated their capabilities is because they lose contracts once customers get to see our platform and how easy it is. Customers expect and demand Capella-level of service from our competition.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="do-you-think-that-suppliers-of-remo"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Do you think that suppliers of remote sensing data can take action </span>that<span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> can effectively mature or grow the addressable market for commercial EO imagery or do you generally see that as outside of their control?</span></h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Data providers have some impact in growing the market but not as much as they think they do. There is no single factor that can grow the market. It’s a complex multivariable problem with dependencies that are outside of a single data provider’s domain. As an example, there is a lot of talk about pricing being a significant variable in expanding the SAR market. Pricing is a single factor that sometimes is important but not always. I do not believe the SAR market grows linearly with reduction in price. In fact, I believe the SAR market of <i>today</i> shrinks at some multiple of price, meaning that if you drop the price of SAR by half, the consumption, in total dollars, by those who represent the largest share of the market today wouldn&#39;t double, but rather actually goes down with some proportion to the pricing. I hope over time that changes, where when you drop the price by half, the consumption would quadruple so that the market would double in size. But that&#39;s just simply not the case today. It&#39;s an unpopular opinion to have publicly but one that I am not afraid to vocalize.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="why-do-you-think-capella-has-succee">Why do you think Capella has succeeded when others failed. For example, Terran Orbital discontinued their SAR mission, Orbital Effect closed, Alpha Insight closed, Urthcast failed.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For each of those companies you mentioned, there&#39;s been something specific and unique, but I think executing despite all odds that were against us is probably the biggest factor for us to have been able to get to where we are today. There were just too many times that we were faced with lots of existential threats and decisions, but we really never considered giving up as an option. It wasn&#39;t in the trade space, and there&#39;s been too many to count, frankly. And so I think that&#39;s the main reason. You’ve got to make the right decisions at the end of the day, but not giving up is really important when you&#39;re trying to do something really hard.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="what-do-customers-of-sar-care-most-">What do customers of SAR care most about?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What our target customers in the DoD care about most are really trust, confidentiality, quality, speed, accessibility, stability and assurance. </p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="how-do-you-think-about-owning-the-r">How do you think about owning the relationship directly with the end user of your data? Particularly as new aggregators or marketplaces for remote sensing data enter the market. Do you have a preference of selling directly to users or are you agnostic to how your data reaches the final user?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It depends. It&#39;s important to maintain some form of relationship with your end customers so that you can continue to understand their pain points, evolve your product set, and build the right solution for them. What you end up building in space, especially these days, is not static. You&#39;re not building something that&#39;s just going to be there for 20 years to come up with the requirements and forget it. So it&#39;s hard to solely rely on the middle markets and sort of those aggregators as your only way of getting inputs on what people want and what&#39;s working and what&#39;s not working.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think this is especially true for government customers. Oftentimes they have very sophisticated problems that require some level of white glove service and some level of customization that often only the satellite operator can build around because it&#39;s about the concept of operations. It&#39;s about fine-tuning the latency and delivering it in a very specific way. So I think it&#39;s really important to have a relationship with the end customers. I think it&#39;s equally important to work with partners of all sorts in the industry, and I&#39;ve got a lot of thoughts on that as well. So it&#39;s not either/or. You have got to do both.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="over-the-course-of-capellas-seven-y">Over the course of Capella’s seven year history, the launch market has evolved significantly. What changes in launch have led to the biggest impact for Capella, such as rideshare, small launch, orbital transfer vehicles, or anything else?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think the mass and volume of satellites have become less relevant relative to when we started the company in 2016. What is important today is to deliver the performance that customers need. And so optimizing performance per satellite is a lot more important than kilogram per satellite. You can even see this trend with mega-constellations. The demo satellite is typically small, but then the production satellite gets bigger. And Starlink is a good example of this. If you look at what Capella is launching now, we had the same trends. Our demo satellite that we launched was 48 kilograms. Our first operational satellite was about a hundred kilograms. And then our latest generation that we recently launched a few months ago was 150 kilograms. It turns out the price of building these larger satellites has grown marginally, but the capability we&#39;re able to provide to our customers grows asymmetrically and much, much more than the marginal cost of going from 50 kilograms to 100, to 150. The customer ends up winning, they get more performance for less.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="border-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;border-style:solid;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing:border-box;border-color:#E5E7EB;" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/1f50b1ee-d588-4efa-91be-92e3722289a4/image.png?t=1705887337"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Capella satellites on a Rocket Lab Electron small launch vehicle</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="on-the-topic-of-partners-a-question">On the topic of partners, a question that constantly exists in my mind is on the dynamic of leveraging partners in the form of sub-contracting with a prime vs being the prime yourself. What are your thoughts on that?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Sometimes it makes sense to be the prime and sometimes it makes sense to be the sub. Either way, partnerships are a must to solve complex problems and expand the market size for Earth Observation data. More often customers’ problems need data from a variety of different sensors, sometimes even from non-space sources that need to be fused with their own internal data that no one has access to. Sometimes even the data collection needs to be orchestrated in a very unique way to solve very specific problems. Earth Observation companies need to realize that they&#39;re a single piece of a very complicated puzzle, and often they&#39;re not the most valuable or important piece. And that&#39;s okay. So partnerships are critical in expanding the market. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">However, I think there is an unstable dynamic in the Earth Observation market regarding partnerships. A lot of the data companies don&#39;t have correct long-term incentives with their partners or worse have conflicting incentives for those partnerships to be successful. Unfortunately, there are too many companies in the Earth Observation ecosystem that have a zero-sum view on value creation. Until we realize that value creation is not a zero-sum game our ability to grow the market will be limited.  I think one of the reasons Earth Observation has not truly taken off for the commercial market is this unstable partnership dynamic that exists amongst the data providers and solution providers.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="the-do-d-has-introduced-a-number-of">The DoD has introduced a number of programs over the last 10 years with the goal of improving its ability to acquire innovative services, technologies, and software from early-stage companies. The programs typically discussed are those like AFWERX, SPACEWERX, the Defense Innovation Unit, and most recently the Office of Strategic Capital. Have you seen such efforts move the needle towards a capacity for more innovative acquisitions over the last decade?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Look, I have experience with every single one of those programs, and I&#39;ve generally found them helpful. They have their problems and challenges, and I have my share of frustrations on how they can be better. But if you&#39;re trying to build hard businesses that require significant capital, then these programs, as long as you navigate them thoughtfully, are a fantastic way of getting non-dilutive capital to build your tech without raising venture capital. I think the problem arises when entrepreneurs use these programs to define requirements for what they build, only to find out that the program manager behind the program was sort of treating it as a low-priority R&D project. So as long as you&#39;re not getting trapped in that problem, then they&#39;re fantastic. I think the government is still trying to figure out how to transition programs from R&D, to a pilot, to a fully operational capability. That’s where a lot of these programs fail, but if you use them strategically to get initial funding to go build the tech, I think they can be a game changer for you.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="knowing-what-you-know-now-would-you">Knowing what you know now, would you do it again</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Absolutely! I think there&#39;s no pleasure greater than building a team that accomplishes what many think is impossible.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="what-is-your-opinion-on-the-way-pub">What is your opinion on the way publicly traded satellite imagery companies (Planet, BlackSky, and Satellogic in particular) are being valued by the market?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It&#39;s simply brutal. There&#39;s no denying that what has happened to these SPAC space companies has had a negative impact on the space industry as a whole. I mean, not a single one of these companies have met their SPAC forecasts and as a result have on average lost 80% of their value since going public. And they&#39;ve set a public comp for imagery companies and those multiples are ridiculously low. So I think that every entrepreneur that&#39;s starting a new company needs to be super keenly aware of the dynamic that creates in the market. The way to differentiate and sort of demand a higher multiple in the private market is by showing higher profit margins, higher growths, differentiated products, and a significant moat. Capella has all of those, but it&#39;s still really, really difficult because one is a liquid market, another one is not. So I think it has created a really difficult dynamic for a lot of space companies.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="do-you-think-that-startups-should-b">Do you think that startups should be structuring their fundraising rounds with those public comps in mind? Should they be thinking “I will be public and those will be my multiples, so I need to create a trajectory where I’m going up and to the right on every round.” Is that the right way to think about leveraging public comps as an early-stage company?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">You can&#39;t avoid it, but I think you want to tell a story of your future multiple on valuation for why your company is going to be better than just a few players that are in a specific niche that you&#39;re in. The way bankers do this, and they&#39;re really good at building stories on why you should be worth more, is that you include the relevant Earth Observation market with comps like Black Sky and Planet, but you also end up adding a bunch of other areas where your company will be involved, so markets with companies like Palantir and Databricks. You build a story on why the product and the company you&#39;re building is going to be relevant and needs to be then comped accordingly to an area that&#39;s bigger than the niche that people think you should be fitting in.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think if you&#39;re building a launch company or a communication company, your job is a little easier because people are looking at SpaceX and others. You still have to deal with Astra and other ones, but it&#39;s easy to differentiate yourself because they haven&#39;t been successful. They don&#39;t have a product, whereas in Earth imaging, Black Sky is successful, they do have products, they do have revenue, they are growing. And so I think in some ways you can&#39;t avoid it. You have to build a story around it and just be really thoughtful on the dynamics that investors both in the private market and the public market are looking at when they want to give you a dollar.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="what-are-you-most-excited-about-for">What are you most excited about for the future of the space industry?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When I graduated with my aerospace degree in 2012, there were very limited options to work in the space industry. You had the defense contractors, you had NASA, and then you had SpaceX. For the most part, when I started Capella in 2016, there were more startups, but it was still a very new and sort of unexpected and unaccepted path with maybe only a handful of space startups. When you look around now in 2024, there are so many startups, and more importantly, there are so many people who have gone through other startups, have an entrepreneurial spirit, and are so driven to build. I think that energy and talent density just weren’t there even five years ago. So that makes me so excited for the future of the industry because we have matured at least a little bit relative to what it was back when I graduated college in 2012.</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">That’s it for my interview with Payam, I hope you enjoyed it. Don’t forget to subscribe to SpaceDotBiz for more insights and interviews like these!</span></p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=fb6d6bed-be0e-4903-9848-5b2631ffd132&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Startups are saturated with risk. There’s technical risk that the technology doesn’t get built, co-founder risk that a falling out will damage a team, product-market risk that the company never creates something people want, and dozens more reasons why a startup can fail.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">However, I think there’s a risk that doesn’t get its due attention, but is having a moment right now. One that is particularly relevant in today’s shifting financial markets. I’m talking about valuation risk, which I would describe as the risk that the company isn’t priced appropriately. While I would concede that this is less critical than some of the other factors I mentioned, there’s ways in which mis-pricing a company can have painful implications. This article will focus on that risk, those implications, and why this is more relevant today than any time in the last decade.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Lets dig in!</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Sponsored by…</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="border-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;border-style:solid;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing:border-box;border-color:#E5E7EB;" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/063b5acd-ce27-406f-af22-2db49bce9558/SPC24_SpaceDotBiz_27__copy.jpg?t=1702329509"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The SpaceCom conference <span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">is a catalyst for advancing every space project–no matter the mission. Use code ‘SPACEDOTBIZ’ to get 20% off any conference package to SpaceCom, the 2nd annual Space Mobility conference, and the Global Spaceport Alliance Summit. Get your tickets </span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><a class="link" href="https://register.rcsreg.com/r2/spc2024/ga/top.html?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=its-the-valuation-that-kills-you" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">here</a></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">!</span></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="font-size:24pt;">How do companies get mispriced?</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There is a pervasive perspective among founders that when you raise capital, you should reach for the highest possible valuation you can get. That’s understandable, when executives go out to raise funding, they typically optimize to reduce dilution as much as possible. After all, they want to maintain ownership of the company they’re making so many sacrifices to will into existence.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">However, some founders are so effective at fundraising and the hype surrounding a funding round or industry can get so intense, that a company’s valuation in that round can balloon to something that might be extremely distanced from what would likely be considered more reasonable.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In itself, this isn’t an issue, after all that’s what markets are for, to find the price at which a buyer and seller agree that an asset is worth, the asset in this case being a company’s shares. However, a company that is valued far higher than other businesses in its “class&quot; or “stage” has made strong assertions that it is much more mature or financially successful than those other organizations. If those implications turn out to not be true or even if there are <i>hints</i> that the company isn’t quite as exceptional as it has portrayed itself, then the return to reality can be particularly painful. That “return to reality” is also happening more frequently today due to the downward market correction we’ve experienced over the last two years.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I really like how early-stage space investor Jonathan Lacoste recently described this:</p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/lacostejonathan/status/1717951270789546158?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=its-the-valuation-that-kills-you"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="font-size:24pt;">Why have company valuations changed so much?</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The short answer is rising interest rates. Feel free to skip this section if it sounds familiar to you.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The most basic and fundamental way to describe a company is as an entity that generates cash for its owners both today and in the future. But how do you determine the present value of a company based on cash that will be generated two, five, or even ten years from now?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What’s typically used in finance is a discounted cash flow formula, where the value of future dollars are discounted by some amount, which is driven by a discount rate.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4b659af4-25e3-48b9-9364-a14afd4acd7b/image.png?t=1701645111"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">A result of this formula is that a dollar in the future is always worth less than a dollar today. Furthermore, as interest rates change, so does the amount by which a dollar tomorrow is worth compared to a dollar today. Without going into too much math and economics, the dominating impact of interest rates is that when interest rates increase, so typically does the discount rate. Consequently, when interest rates are high, a dollar in the future is worth less today than in an environment where interest rates are low.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Over the last two years, we’ve experienced a historically rapid increase in interest rates, which is having massive implications to how companies are valued. For many years while interest rates were essentially zero, a dollar tomorrow was worth almost the same as a dollar today. Therefore, a company that made no money today but promised investors that it would make tons of money tomorrow (or 5 years from now), could still be considered very valuable. However, in today’s environment with much higher interest rates, a company that provides profit today is worth waaay more than a company that has no current profit but promises a lot of profit in the future<span style="font-family:ui-sans-serif, system-ui, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Noto Sans, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji;"> </span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What we have experienced in the past two years of interest rates rising is a massive transition from a period in which companies promising future profits were previously considered valuable but are now considered much less so. This transition has been most felt in industries where companies were very unprofitable, but made promises to be highly profitable in the future. The space industry happens to fit that depiction very well, which why we’ve seen such a shift in valuations for publicly traded space companies from late 2021 to the present day.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Unfortunately, all of this was really out of the control of the companies themselves and the ground simply shifted beneath them. There was little any company executive could do to moderate this significant reduction in their companies’ valuations. Today, they simply run companies that are valued typically 50-80% less than two years ago.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So now that we understand why valuations have changed so massively, we can discuss how this plays out for a startups stakeholders, specifically the founders, investors, and employees.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="font-size:24pt;">What Happens in a Down Round?</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">A down round is defined as a funding round in which a company is priced at a lower valuation than it was in the most recent funding round. Given that company valuations have dropped so drastically due to interest rate changes over the last two years, down rounds are an inevitability for many mid to late-stage space companies.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In itself, that doesn’t sound that terrible, I mean publicly traded companies on the stock market have their valuations go up and down every minute. In private companies that have chosen to take venture capital funding and therefore have implicitly or explicitly made assertions that they are growing very quickly, having a downround is a painful process that impacts prior investors, employees, and founders.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="font-size:2rem;">What Happens to Employees?</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Employees working at startups typically do not receive equity in exchange for their employment. What they instead receive are stock options, which is the opportunity to purchase that equity at a future time, while paying a previously established price. That price is equal to the most recent price at which the company was valued before the employee joined. And if the company’s current value is less than it was when the employee joined, then that employee is better off not exercising/buying the options and so the options are worthless.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This video from the startup accelerator Y Combinator I think best articulates the downside of being at an overpriced late-stage startup when they say<b> </b>“Most likely if you joined a unicorn that is late stage, the strike price of your options is going to be tied to the valuation that the company raised at. So if the company is sold for less or is overvalued, your options are likely underwater.” Here’s the whole video if you’re interested, and the part I’ve quoted is at 2:16.</p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="true" class="youtube_embed" frameborder="0" height="100%" src="https://youtube.com/embed/chAoH_AeGAg" width="100%"></iframe><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="font-size:2rem;">What Happens to Investors</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:#222222;font-family:Söhne, ui-sans-serif, system-ui, -apple-system, Segoe UI, Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Noto Sans, sans-serif, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji;font-size:16px;">The most direct impact on previous investors is dilution. With a down round, the company&#39;s valuation decreases, leading to a larger issuance of new shares to accommodate the new investment. As a result, existing investors see their ownership percentage in the company reduced. That significant dilution can mean that the investor’s ownership can no longer provide fund-returning performance for the investor’s portfolio. That can make the investor’s ownership in that company so insubstantial that they’re no longer likely to support the company with their time or future funding.</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="font-size:24pt;">Is There Anything A Company Can Do to Limit These Risks?</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So we’ve established that experiencing a down round is particularly painful for an organization. Then how does a company, today, raise capital with confidence that they are doing so at an appropriate valuation, especially when there is continued uncertainty in company pricing, as well as ongoing hype in particular venture industries?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In a funding environment where it sometimes feels like no one knows what the “right” valuation is for a Series A, B, C, or later-stage funding round, I would argue that private investors can look to more liquid marketplaces where there is moment-to-moment repricing of company equity. In the tech world, that marketplace is most typically the NASDAQ stock exchange.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">If you’re a private company valued at tens of millions, hundreds of millions, or even billions of dollars, if you want to know what you’d be valued at by public markets, just look at a public company with comparable revenue, profitability, and growth rates. One benefit of the recent SPAC craze is that it has provided us with about a dozen public space companies of varying levels of revenue, income, and growth. If there’s a big difference between where you are and where you’d be if you were publicly traded, then something is likely out of whack.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Let’s take for example a startup that maybe did $20M in revenue (annualized to $80M) in Q3 2023, and even grew in revenue by about 25% year-over-year. What do you think that startup would be valued at? Well, if they were a public company, they would be valued at $177M. How do I know? Because that company is Blacksky Technologies, a space company that went public through a SPAC in late 2021.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So if you’re a space startup that is doing less revenue, growing less quickly, is less profitable, but yet is valued at more than $177M, you may have a painful “return to reality” in your future as you seek to raise capital from late-stage growth investors or even go public. And it’s reasonable for your employees and investors to be concerned about that.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Of course, there’s always the possibility that interest rates decrease in the near future and we return to company valuations that are more generous than where they stand today. In that case, this post will retrospectively look more “doom and gloom” than was necessary. But for those of us without a crystal ball, this seems to be the world we’re living in and all we can hope to do is adapt.</p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=54c98a2c-39a3-41b0-bc8b-f857d7514cd8&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2023 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Today I’m sharing part two of my interview with Gabe Dominocielo, co-founder of Umbra Space. If you missed <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/gabe-dominocielo-part-1?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-gabe-dominocielo-part-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">part one</a>, where we talked about things like how Umbra differentiates itself from other Synthetic Aperture Radar providers, using SBIR’s to grind out early tech development, and much more, I highly recommend starting there first.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In this newsletter we talk about other ways to bootstrap a deep tech startup, getting to market later than competitors, contrarian approaches to the Earth observation market, and more.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/72390dda-daef-43f5-b205-b2e306b394c4/Screenshot_2023-10-17_at_6.26.37_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Gabe (right) and his Umbra co-founder David Langan, standing behind their satellite’s proprietary antenna</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now let’s dive into part 2.</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Sponsored by…</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/063b5acd-ce27-406f-af22-2db49bce9558/SPC24_SpaceDotBiz_27__copy.jpg?t=1702329509"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The SpaceCom conference <span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">is a catalyst for advancing every space project–no matter the mission. Use code ‘SPACEDOTBIZ’ to get 20% off any conference package to SpaceCom, the 2nd annual Space Mobility conference, and the Global Spaceport Alliance Summit. Get your tickets </span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><a class="link" href="https://register.rcsreg.com/r2/spc2024/ga/top.html?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-gabe-dominocielo-part-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">here</a></span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">!</span></p><hr class="content_break"><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="so-you-said-there-are-kind-of-three">So you said there are kind of three ways to build slowly and grind it out on government contracts. You mentioned the SBIR way. Were there two other ways you had in mind?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">You can be a subcontractor to a prime. And the prime doesn&#39;t have to be Lockheed Martin. It could be like Deep Space Systems or some other small contractor. And you just go and work hourly, and then you develop your own product or your own dime. So you build your business the way that every successful aerospace company has. Every widget, every little screw, everything on anything. Blue Canyon was bootstrapped this way, all of these companies before this craze of Silicon Valley. I mean, we landed people on the Moon without venture capital.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="so-to-take-the-other-side-of-that-a">So to take the other side of that argument, what do you think are the appropriate conditions for a startup raising a large funding round within the first couple years, let&#39;s say? What would it take to ever make that make sense?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Growth. Look, obviously I didn&#39;t bootstrap the whole company. We did grind it out for two years. We did ultimately raise money, but in an ideal world, I would&#39;ve raised no money and would&#39;ve been General Atomics. So the answer is “How much of the company do you want to own?” So if you are doing a widget, which many of these space companies are like whatever, a component company, do you need VC money for that? You should have the ability to see if a customer will buy that product without fundraising.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">If you want to go and scale some huge constellation, you definitely need outside capital. But if you&#39;re doing a widget, you don&#39;t need to go to space. You don&#39;t have to pay for launches. You can go and get customer money from DoD and then DoD can help you support commercial customers with more money. The thing is, it just has to be slow. So the alternative is how much of the company do you want to own? And if it&#39;s like, I need an exit so I can get a million dollars and buy a Porsche, great. Then take as much money as possible, SPAC, and have a great time, but at that point you are not building a business over long periods of time.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="how-do-you-think-about-being-last-t">How do you think about being last to market when you take that slower route?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We’re the last. Look I’ve had all these companies who’ve been warming up the market with hundreds of millions of cash spent in educating customers. Then we came in and we undercut everybody’s prices and sold a better product.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It’s not software. With software, first mover advantage with a bunch of early adopters and network effects is a huge advantage. If you have a billion people using Facebook, they’re probably not going to switch over.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">If you’re in a market with a thousand customers who all hate each other and they’re competing, and one of those customers suddenly is like “I’ve got a competitive advantage by paying one-tenth the price for a ten times better product”, first mover advantage does not matter because everyone wants to save 90% of their money and will switch to that product.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="earlier-you-mentioned-partnering-wi">Earlier you mentioned partnering with a prime. Umbra is partnering with Maxar. First of all, I want to make sure I understand that relationship correctly. Does Umbra provide satellite data to DoD through the Maxar platform? How does that work?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So Maxar is able to sell our data to almost anyone, except of course some bad actors, neither Maxar or Umbra sell to or will do business with bad actors. But really there’s more to this question. So we&#39;ve worked with a prime in some way for almost our entire life of the company. And those relationships are not public, but Maxar is our most public partnership.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Our relationship with Maxar is like dating. So we&#39;ve been talking for a long time. We have really, really clear communication. We have a ton of mutual respect. The way that I saw the partnership is that it was inevitable because we modeled our unit economics off things that Walter Scott [Maxar CTO] said.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Walter Scott did a remarkable video on Worldview Legion [included below] which clearly explains optical satellite unit economics</p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="true" class="youtube_embed" frameborder="0" height="100%" src="https://youtube.com/embed/oUqgriDYxgk" width="100%"></iframe><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So we really learned a lot from Maxar and had a tremendous amount of respect for them. They also realized that we have a capability that essentially no one else has been able to prove and they have the best capability, so we&#39;re kind of stuck with each other, but it&#39;s okay, we are in love.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/90b9b60c-8cf8-4db8-8d62-61d099804fc4/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Singapore National Stadium is shown in an Umbra Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) image on the left and a Maxar WorldView-3 satellite image on the right. (Credit: Maxar Technologies and Umbra)</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="so-you-dont-have-a-concern-that-max">So you don&#39;t have a concern that Maxar is going to say at some point, “We just want to do this ourselves”</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I&#39;m sure they could, but they are too smart to do it. I would not wish building a synthetic aperture radar satellite on my worst enemy. It is really, really, really difficult. And then on top of that, competing with Umbra technology is so difficult literally no one has done it.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">With Maxar, it works way better to complement each other than to compete. I want them to win, now they have their gigantic sales force selling our data. They&#39;re making money. We’re making money. There are no losers, there&#39;s no gotcha. I think there&#39;s a lot of perception that the primes will just come in and crush you and try and do it.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But also, when we did the deal with Maxar, our valuations were not <i>that</i> different. This was before their acquisition by Advent. At the time, they were worth under two billion dollars. And we had just closed our financing at over close to a billion. So it wasn’t like there was a totally lopsided power dynamic. Plus we also like each other.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="how-do-you-think-about-the-fact-tha">How do you think about the fact that you don&#39;t necessarily own that relationship to the DoD customer because it&#39;s through a prime?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So obviously, Maxar does not own our relationship with DoD. We still have our own relationship with DoD and with the Intelligence Community. DoD/IC and Umbra need to have our own special relationship and direct clear communication. So they have to understand that Umbra is trustworthy and reliable. So the important stuff, we do prime with the US government.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But if Maxar has had a relationship with a USG program manager or some copper mine for 12 years and wants to sell some of our data to supplement their cloudy data, great. Remember, I&#39;m selling Nike&#39;s, I don&#39;t care. It&#39;s a unit that produces money. Distributors sell Nike&#39;s. Fabulous.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="so-your-team-has-placed-a-large-emp">So your team has placed a large emphasis on commercial customers. But in a recent TechCrunch article, you stated that 70% of your revenue comes from government customers, and I&#39;ve heard for years people saying that the use case for remote sensing data is ready to break out. Why do you think that you&#39;re able to unlock a commercial customer that has been so difficult for other remote sensing companies to unlock over the last 10 or 15 years?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I was quoting the overall market, not Umbra’s sales. Joe Morrison [Umbra VP of Commercial Experience] and I were going back and forth on what the actual overall market breakdown of commercial customers actually is. My belief is that it’s like 75% defense/government, but I don’t actually know.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The largest customer is the US government because the data cost is so high. The next biggest is foreign governments, obviously allied governments. Then you have oil and gas, which is gigantic. That industry is the size of many countries. Then you have insurance, and then you have things like critical infrastructure. But to get below that, there&#39;s essentially no customer that has any money. So the real key is the barrier to entry.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I mean, we took Airbus&#39;s public pricing, which is $7,500 for a one-meter image, and we said we’d sell a 50 centimeter resolution image for $750. So a hundred percent improvement in quality at one-tenth the cost. And guess what. It’s still too fucking expensive. We need to be 90% lower than our current price in order to start making the commercial market bigger.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/3324e1e3-eb11-4fa4-bfe4-9cc1bce87a4d/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Umbra image of one of the Spratly Islands, which is a disputed archipelago in the South China Sea</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="how-do-you-know-how-do-you-know-you">How do you know? How do you know you won’t get there and it’ll still be too expensive or there really isn’t any demand waiting? Do you have buyers saying, “at this price, I would purchase that data”?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Oh, sure. But we have buyers at any price, right? If you go on and just start selling a 50 centimeter image for $75, you increase demand. You have all these people not in these gigantic industries who are trying to solve a problem where their current best solution is to send a guy in a pickup truck to go look at a bridge to understand the length of a bridge. This costs $200 an hour. It turns out I can buy all the data I need for $75 and then just literally download it from space and run the code that gives me that answer. I just reduced some dude&#39;s cost by 90%. That price reduction will not happen overnight. The industry and data providers, including Umbra, need to grow, learn, and evolve.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="in-umbras-distribution-you-had-stro">In Umbra’s distribution, you had strong conviction around two fairly contrarian approaches in the industry. They were 1) Don’t build an analytics platform that competes with your customers, and 2) Provide abundant, free, archival data. Where did that conviction come from?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">If you want to have a business that cares about your customers, you can’t compete with your customers and create channel conflicts. Especially when your customers are Google, Amazon, and Oracle who have the best AI/ML in the world. I mean, as a satellite company, you’ve got to solve a super difficult problem launching a satellite into space. And ideally, you want to be the best one doing that. And then to be competitive with Google for AI engineers to then go analyze the data is really expensive. If you do, you’re probably not going to be the best in all those products.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But maybe we’re the dumb ones. Almost every single other company who takes a picture from space, also analyzes it. Almost every single one.  If I’m “wrong” and make money and everyone else is “right” but loses money, I’m fine being wrong.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="i-would-guess-theyre-doing-that-bec">I would guess they’re doing that because they want to expand their market size, right?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But I&#39;m not trying to grow my market or grow revenue. I&#39;m trying to produce free cash flow. So until you can show me anyone who makes money doing the analytics on their data, I’m not convinced that’s the way to go. You know a liquor store produces more cash flow than every single publicly traded Earth observation company. A liquor store. What are we doing? So people have to change their mindset, and as my wife always says, “just make more money.”</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;" id="if-theres-one-thing-you-can-emphasi">If there&#39;s one thing you can emphasize to an individual founding a space startup, what would it be?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So I said this earlier, and I&#39;ll say it again because it&#39;s important. I would not wish starting a space company on my worst enemy. It is really difficult. But what I would say is, if you have to raise money, understand investors&#39; incentives.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">My co-founder, David Langan, is much smarter than me. When we started to talk to investors, he sent me an IRR calculator. I was like “What? Why do we need to calculate their returns over 10 years? We are going to make billions!?” And he was like “No one&#39;s going to give us money if they can&#39;t actually show a high enough return for their fund.” Which I didn&#39;t intrinsically understand until I got older.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">And obviously, we&#39;ve had some crazy years in the stock market. As an anecdote from being an LP in some funds, not a lot of VCs offer huge returns over long periods of time. Oftentimes, returns are lower relative to individual stocks or an index.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So if you talk to me about your business, and the response is that its capital intensity and time to market cannot produce sufficient returns to make investors a great IRR, and guess what, a 10X return over the full fund life is not a good IRR. If you can&#39;t produce a product, get it to market quickly, and 100x, you probably should not take venture capital. That said, if you don&#39;t have VC, great, build a great company and take as long as you want.</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That’s a wrap on my discussion with Gabe! I hope you enjoyed it. Don’t forget to subscribe to SpaceDotBiz or <a class="link" href="https://twitter.com/IanVorbach?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-gabe-dominocielo-part-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">follow me on Twitter</a> for more insights and interviews like these!</p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=eb0c1068-cf93-4db3-b8c6-2ed84dcdda52&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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  <title>Interview with Gabe Dominocielo, Co-Founder of Umbra</title>
  <description>&quot;It’s the people who are like &#39;I’m gonna change the world&#39; who make no money.&quot;</description>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Today I’m sharing an interview which I’m really excited about, with Gabe Dominocielo. Gabe is a co-founder of Umbra Space, a provider of high-resolution Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery. SAR is a technology for imaging the Earth’s surface with satellites. Since radar is able to penetrate through clouds, SAR can generate clear imagery even on overcast days, offering a more continuous and reliable source of Earth observation data than traditional cameras. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Gabe is the type of entrepreneur that we probably need a lot more of in the space industry, one that never wanted to start a space company. He isn’t clouded by childhood aspirations to see the Earth from orbit or to walk on the Moon. He co-founded Umbra because he thought it would be a great cash-flow-generating business with attractive unit economics. When he talks about Umbra, he doesn’t benchmark it to rocket companies or lunar lander businesses. He compares the company to liquor stores or fast-food franchises (one particular food chain he talks about a lot), businesses that don’t have the luxury of burning tens of millions of venture capital dollars based on the promise of distant future profits.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/a4cc364e-b59a-41bb-94a7-47af959015ce/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Gabe Dominocielo, Co-Founder of Umbra Space</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In an industry where sometimes revenue projections can seem hallucinatory, this type of sobering practicality is refreshing. Gabe is also just a fun guy. Hopefully you’ll enjoy reading this newsletter half as much as I did writing it. Lets dig in!</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How does Umbra differentiate itself from other SAR data providers in the technology and in the approach you take to customers in distribution?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We have the highest quality data at the lowest price. But it turns out that doesn&#39;t actually matter. Being able to take pictures from space at the highest resolution is a great marketing thing. What really matters though is how many pictures you can take from space at high resolution over high-demand areas.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There&#39;s a real distinction here that people don&#39;t understand. They think that all the radar providers are essentially the same, but the reality is that Umbra takes 10 to 15 times more pictures over a high-demand area than anyone else. That’s what directly translates to making more money. So we can make 15 times the amount of money as anyone else. Which is great.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Help me understand what you mean by “high-demand area”, why would taking pictures of the same port or parking lot 20 times be better?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">No, by high-demand area, I mean like an entire region. Like the Middle East or the South China Sea. At the speed your satellite is orbiting, it’s passing over that region for only a few minutes. Any satellite can take a certain number of images during that pass, so you image some fraction of that region. Our satellites can take 10 to 20 times as many pictures of that area as other SAR providers. But there is essentially infinite demand for imagery of that region. So every incremental image we take, we sell at the same price as the previous image. So we can generate more revenue per satellite pass.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Having an abundance of imagery doesn’t just make our business better, it also lets us behave differently. If I fly over North Korea and can only take two pictures, I&#39;m going to be an asshole about those two pictures. I’m gonna charge people tens of thousands per picture because I need that to make my business close. But when Umbra flies over a high-demand area, we&#39;re taking 20 to 30. So I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m like, “Let’s take the picture and put it on the internet. Let&#39;s look at the pompoms in the North Korean parade. Let&#39;s have fun. I don&#39;t care if you share it with your mom. Do you want to know the price of it? Here&#39;s the price. Do you want to task it directly through the computer? That&#39;s fine. Just do it through our website. No biggie, do it through our API”</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/8ffafdfb-e22b-4b82-b554-ea072eebc557/UmbraPhoto.jpeg"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Umbra photo of North Korean military parade in June 2023, courtesy of the twitter account of Umbra’s COO, Todd Master</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">So you’re saying that because the supply is so low for the traditional players, they have to charge an insane amount for every picture.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Essentially you&#39;re going to charge 10 or 20 grand per image to close a business case. It&#39;s a premium product. Whereas we may have the best product, but we sell it like it&#39;s a taco and we’re a Taco Bell. It&#39;s a commodity.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">You didn&#39;t start your career in the space industry. You had an entrepreneurial career in legal services prior to that, and then you confounded Umbra. Why go into the space business?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It&#39;s probably because I have a low IQ. Really though it had to do with the economics of the spacecraft. I understood in my gut that if we could take large volumes of better pictures and sell them for a reasonable price over the internet, it was probably going to be a good opportunity. Being in the space industry to me is not a thing I aspired to. Though, I love the space industry and I even love the weirdos who are mean to me on Twitter. I would feel differently if Umbra did not have such great unit economics.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">It seems to me that not having an affinity for “space” is actually kind of an advantage in that it guards you from falling in love with your technology.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I always say that I&#39;m not in love with the technology or “space”. I don&#39;t want to go to space. I don&#39;t care. I love my job, the people I work with, and the positive impact we have on our customers. The satellites are units that produce money. I&#39;m not like, “Oh, oh, the radar waves are so great.” It&#39;s a very, very sober way to look at your business. If you are in love with your technology, then you might try and force something to work that doesn&#39;t make money, which is super dangerous.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/316c3629-60ce-408f-9644-eb83fc001b47/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Rendering of an Umbra satellite in orbit</p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">You were quoted in a recent TechCrunch article saying something that I really enjoyed. You said, “I talked to founders all the time. I tell them, if you can do this on your own or you can just grind it out on government contracts, you&#39;re going to be so much better off, understand the need and demand from the government and you&#39;ll also be able to build to that and continue to get money without diluting.” Can you talk more about that? Because we don&#39;t have a ton of data points on how to build a “successful space company” and I think this diversity of perspective is interesting.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We do have a million data points, but none of them are funded by Silicon Valley. Think about it. Every rich person who has a successful aerospace and defense company has taken zero dollars from Silicon Valley. I&#39;m from Santa Barbara, which has a massive aerospace and defense ecosystem. Where I’m from, everyone’s like “Oh yeah, I&#39;m Joe Schmo at ‘insert weird aerospace name’” and they’re a small defense contractor, but the dude has a $20 million house and throws off $5M is free cash flow on an annual basis to his single member LLC. That’s not sexy in Silicon Valley. There is a world of defense and intelligence, which is these small prime contractors of very smart people who have contracts with the government and are just normal people who drive nice cars and have nice houses and have 12 SBIR’s [Small Business Innovation Research awards]. It’s the people who are like “I’m gonna change the world” who make no money.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">I would love to better understand that, because I don’t know those stories and those companies</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Why would you ever hear about them? There&#39;s a taco chain where I live in Austin that makes great tacos. The owner of it lives in my neighborhood. His house is gigantic. He easily does more revenue than most publicly traded EO companies. More power to him, because he doesn&#39;t care. He just makes $10 million a year, has a Ferrari, and makes huge charitable contributions to the causes he cares about. He doesn&#39;t need an article in Space News. You know what I mean? He&#39;s fine.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">So can you elaborate more on that path? What does it look like “grinding it out on government contracts”? What are those contracts? Are they SBIR’s? Are there other contracting mechanisms you have in mind?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think that there&#39;s probably three ways to do it. One is, you can grind it out on SBIR’s (Small Business Innovation Research contracts) and try and win them. It&#39;s hard, but you can probably do it as a few guys in the garage. I mean, submarines get built on SBIR’s. General Atomics was started on small grants and still doesn&#39;t really have outside investors. That&#39;s a great example.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">And General Atomics just acquired one of my friend’s companies. I have no idea what it was acquired for, but probably not like single-digit millions. They do analysis on radar, 3D modeling on radar data or something. No one would ever know who that founder is or what he&#39;s doing. But he had a great outcome for himself and his family. So there&#39;s a gigantic ecosystem that has nothing to do with the Valley or any of this startup ecosystem.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/020aee70-a468-4829-9518-1ac5dbc03ac4/Umbra-Nova-Dam.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Summer 2023 imagery of the Kakhovka Dam collapse in Ukraine, taken by Umbra satellites. Source: <a class="link" href="https://ursaspace.com/blog/ukr-dam-collapse/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-gabe-dominocielo-co-founder-of-umbra" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">https://ursaspace.com/blog/ukr-dam-collapse/</a></p></span></div></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, I don’t know if this resonates with you, but it seems to me that with hardware the unit economics are almost baked into the product the first couple years of the company when you&#39;re grinding away, and people think that you can fundamentally change that at a later date. But historically that seems really hard or even impossible.</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Everyone knew what we were doing. It was not a secret. Our FCC license was public, 1200 megahertz of bandwidth. We had a public license for 25 centimeters. We can do below that now obviously, but this is eight years ago. There&#39;s no excuse for all the other guys to not be pursuing that. None. Now the writing&#39;s kind of on the wall, others must meet our level of service, cost and data quality at a minimum and Umbra must also continue to improve our products and continue to treat customers with respect. Data buyers are being hammered with just tons of super low-cost, or even sometimes free, high-resolution data that we’re dropping on the market.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There&#39;s a Warren Buffet quote, it was like, “All your trades are public, why are you one of the richest people in the world? Why doesn&#39;t everyone else just copy you?” And his response was, “No one wants to get rich slowly.” The thing is, we got to space last of all the SAR companies and we&#39;ve raised the least amount of money. Every single path we have taken has been the hard one. Do you think my wife is happy that we spent eight years grinding away? She’s not.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But I mean, we took the hard path. Do you know how difficult it is to build a 1200 megahertz radar? A 12 foot antenna? It is much easier to buy a 300 megahertz radar or an antenna. But if you tell an investor, “No, Umbra is going to do the thing that just doesn&#39;t exist, treat customers like partners, sell data in a different way than it has been traditionally sold. It&#39;s going to be 10x harder, will take longer, but the unit economics are incredible. Most investors said, “I&#39;ll go with the people who are using proven technology and are going to save the world.”</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That wraps up part one of this two-part interview, part two will hit your inbox next week and it will include Gabe’s answers to questions like </p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Why do you think you’ll be able to unlock a commercial market that has been so historically challenging to grow?</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">How do you think about being last amongst the SAR companies to get to market?</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Do you have concerns regarding your partnership with Maxar?</p></li></ul><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Subscribe to SpaceDotBiz to see that interview and more!</p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=f617701f-f1eb-4772-a244-3aa066877a4b&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Today I’m covering a topic about which I am biased. The reason I’m biased is that a friend of mine is working to address this problem. I waited for some time to write this article, because I wanted to make sure that the topic was of enough relevance to the industry that I wasn’t only highlighting it due to my closeness. I think that time is now.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The problem I’m referring to is the “spaceport bottleneck”, or more specifically the painful lack of launchpads and spaceports in the United States.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Why Is There a Bottleneck?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Over the last decade, we’ve seen a rapid rise in the number of satellites in space.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/cefa5326-cc2b-44a9-ac5d-4c0b3a2e4e38/Screenshot_2023-06-11_at_12.41.29_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Source: <a class="link" href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/897719/number-of-active-satellites-by-year/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">https://www.statista.com/statistics/897719/number-of-active-satellites-by-year/</a></p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This growth has created a drastic increase in demand for launch. That has translated to an increase of new rocket companies and launch vehicles seeking to meet that demand. A key part of the value chain that has been painfully stagnant though is the physical locations from which you can launch those rockets to space, AKA spaceports.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/subscribe?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The limited expansion of new spaceports has not been for lack of trying. There have been over a dozen attempts to add new orbital spaceports in the United States, including Spaceport Camden, the Colorado Air and Spaceport, Spaceport Michigan, a spaceport on the Big Island of Hawaii, Shiloh Spaceport, and others. However, none have overcome the infrastructure, community, and regulatory hurdles required to offer orbital launch. This was a theoretical problem for some time, but in the last twelve months, we’ve seen with increasing urgency the Space Force express how spaceport congestion is becoming a burden.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In a March 23rd SpaceNews article, Colonel James Horne, the deputy director of launch and range operations for the Space Force’s Space Systems Command was <a class="link" href="https://spacenews.com/cape-congestion-worlds-busiest-spaceport-stretched-to-its-limits/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">quoted as saying</a> “I’ve been in the launch business for 18 years and I’ve never seen this kind of activity. Congestion is becoming a huge challenge for us. All of our mechanisms that we use to manage this business area are starting to show strains.”</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/58b73a77-def0-45e2-8024-62f594df8500/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>View of Cape Canaveral in 1964. Source: NASA</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Even more recently, Major General <a class="link" href="https://spacenews.com/space-force-looks-at-options-for-relieving-cape-canaveral-launch-congestion/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Purdy stated</a> “The Eastern Range is almost done doing everything it can do. We’re not prepared or manned to support launch rates of 90,” which is the current estimated launch numbers in 2023 for spaceports on the east coast of the US. He added, “I project we’re going to be in the multiple hundreds here on a couple years.”</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So, launch rates are expected to double or triple in the next few years, but spaceports are already tapped out in capacity. In addition, as far as I can tell no one has a viable plan for building more spaceports. Well, now you know why I’ve become convinced that this could be a significant long-term pain point for the industry.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This article will dive deeper into this problem, covering the below topics:</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What constitutes a spaceport?</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Why is it so hard to build a new one?</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Who has tried to build spaceports </p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What other options do we have?</p></li></ul><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now lets get started…</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What Constitutes a Spaceport</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">A spaceport is a site for launching or receiving spacecraft, meaning its value is not in just in supporting launch services, but reentry services as well. The primary regulatory body for governing spaceports is the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which in the United States is responsible for awarding Spaceport Licenses under the Part 420 regulation, titled Launch Site Operator License. The Part 420 regulation can be found <a class="link" href="https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-III/subchapter-C/part-420?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">here</a>.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For clarification, this regulation is entirely separate from that which covers the launch vehicles themselves, which is addressed in the Part 450 regulation for receiving a Launch Vehicle Operator License.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As of the time of this writing, there are five spaceports in the United States (four if you group together the two sites located on Cape Canaveral) from which there are regular launch operations to orbit. These are:</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Cape Canaveral Space Force Station (CCSFS)- operated by the US Space Force</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Kennedy Space Center- operated by NASA and located adjacent to CCSFS</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Vandenberg Space Force Base- operated by the US Space Force</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport (MARS)- operated by the state of Virginia on land owned by NASA)</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Pacific Spaceport Complex (PCS)-operated by the state of Alaska</p></li></ul><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/359b2eb8-a91b-49d3-8bc6-fa2cd1d78e52/2022_Launches_v2.png"/></div><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Why Is It So Hard To Build A New Spaceport In the US?</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Knowing that the United States has a lack of supply for spaceports, the simple conclusion is then that we should just build more. So what does that involve? Well, first it’s important to understand that, due to the risk of a launch vehicle failure, the FAA has historically not approved launch flight trajectories that travel above populated land for at least a couple thousand miles downrange of the launch site. That is why, for example, SpaceX’s test launch site out of Boca Chica in the Gulf of Mexico is limited to a single launch azimuth that threads the needle between Florida and Cuba. Which is why SpaceX is building a second Starship launch site at Cape Canaveral. As a result, any US orbital launch site that expects to launch repeatedly and cost-effectively must be on the Pacific or Atlantic coasts</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Beyond that, noise impacts and risks of damage from vehicle failure mean that any spaceport would likely need to include not only the launch pad itself, but at least 1,000 acres of land (approximately 1.5 square miles) surrounding the actual launch pad to provide ample buffer to other property owners. For example, the smallest of the existing US spaceports, MARS and PCS, are approximately 6,500 acres and 3,700 acres respectively. So just to kick things off, you’re talking about acquiring a massive amount of US coastal land, some of the world’s most valuable real estate. That purchase alone would likely cost over $250M given that the cost for coastal land in the US can easily run you $200,000-$500,000 per acre.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, even having acquired the land, the US is a highly litigious nation and there is ample opportunity for nearby homeowners or environmental groups to sue spaceport developers under claims of safety hazards, property value impacts, or environmental impacts. The legal costs of fighting that battle would likely be in the tens of millions of dollars. This has been the case in the past few years for SpaceX at Boca Chica.</p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Failed Attempts to Build Spaceports</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Despite the uphill nature of the challenge, many have tried to develop new orbital-capable spaceports in the United States. In my opinion, the best chance of the last two decades and the most exemplary of the challenges is Spaceport Camden in Camden County, Georgia.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The effort to develop Spaceport Camden began in November 2012, when the Camden County Joint Development Authority voted to &quot;explore developing an aero-spaceport facility&quot; at an Atlantic coastal site to support both horizontal and vertical launch operations.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In 2021, the FAA issued a launch site operator license for Spaceport Camden that enabled launches only at a 100-degree azimuth trajectory. However, in a 2022 referendum by Camden County voters, the project was rejected. The county made an appeal to the Georgia Supreme Court, arguing that voters did not have the right to override the county’s decisions to develop the spaceport. However, the state supreme court sided with county residents and the county was unable to move forward with an effort to purchase the land. It was reported that the county had spent approximately $12M in its efforts to develop the spaceport, which had not yet included what it would have cost to acquire the land if the project had moved forward.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/001b0b1e-9ad9-4121-9bbe-1a3580ebb59b/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Projected Zoning for Camden Spaceport. Source: Spaceport Camden Launch Site Operator Application with FAA</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When you look at the example of Spaceport Camden and other attempts to develop coastal orbital spaceports, it becomes apparent just how difficult the prospect appears. That is not merely my own opinion, here are the perspectives of others that are close to the problem:</p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/mmealling/status/1650146633839943681?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/LauraForczyk/status/1671171547074301960?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/JeffGreason/status/1650187915819986947?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What About Going Overseas?</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">An additional option might be US launch companies using overseas spaceports. However, those options are limited and seemingly less attractive than existing US options. There are a number of spaceport projects in early development in the United Kingdom, including Spaceport Cornwall, Spaceport Shetland, and Sutherland Spaceport. While these may be useful for a domestic European small launch provider, shipping an entire launch vehicle across the Atlantic from manufacturing facilities in the US adds significant costs to the launch process. With launch margins already being tight, additional costs can force launch costs to be unprofitable.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Furthermore, it’s unclear if those spaceports would overcome any of the regulatory challenges that are already impacting US launch sites. When Virgin Orbit launched out of Spaceport Cornwall in January 2023, many of the delays in getting to first launch were regulatory in nature. Both Virgin Orbit and Virgin Orbit’s satellite payloads expressed this frustration openly. A director at Space Forge, a satellite on the Virgin Orbit launch <a class="link" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-64815026?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">discussed the experience</a> with the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority, saying &quot;The CAA is taking a different approach to risk, and a bit to process and timing as well… I think unless there is, without wanting to be too dramatic, a seismic change in that approach, the UK is not going to be competitive from a launch perspective.&quot; Space Forge’s CEO Joshua Western further stated &quot;Quite frankly it costs us more to license our satellite for launch than it did to launch it.&quot;</p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What Other Options Do US Launchers Have?</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So what does that leave? Well if you believe that there’s no path to increasing land-based spaceports in the US, then an alternative option is to explore launching offshore.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Sea-based launch has been leveraged previously and is in active use today. In 1995 a company named Sea Launch was formed to offer offshore launch pad platforms. The organization was a consortium of four companies based in Norway, Russia, Ukraine, and the United States, being primarily managed by Boeing. Between 1999 and 2014, 36 launches were conducted from Sea Launch platforms. Due to high platform costs and geopolitical challenges resulting from the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014, the consortium became untenable and Sea Launch is no longer in operation.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/08a5040d-f793-48ae-b2c7-94cf8b659c7e/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Sea Launch platform. Image courtesy: <a class="link" href="http://spacenews.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">spacenews.com</a></p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">China is experiencing its own spaceport bottleneck with the proliferation of domestic rocket companies and has begun leveraging offshore launch as well. China currently operates three offshore launch vessels.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/d698955f-c221-4433-a3fb-f097637a6cfa/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Launch of a Long March-11 on an offshore platform. Source: CCTV/Inside Outer Space screengrab</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, South Korea has conducted suborbital launches from offshore launch platforms.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/0a79a574-fa9f-4eb8-9807-fb81981249a0/Screenshot_2023-06-14_at_4.40.24_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Offshore launch of a South Korean suborbital rocket Source: <a class="link" href="https://youtu.be/BSyPsGe1aiY?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">https://youtu.be/BSyPsGe1aiY</a></p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">SpaceX has also repeatedly expressed plans for eventually moving Starship launches offshore, including Elon Musk stating so in a 2019 tweet:</p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1191496935250616321?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The company purchased two oil rigs as Starship launch platforms. However, SpaceX eventually sold them, stating that they were the wrong types of platforms but that they would eventually return to offshore launch once the Starship vehicle was flying regularly.</p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1625292261830414337?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So is offshore launch the answer to the US’s spaceport needs? I don’t know for sure, but I struggle to see another option unless there is a radical change to the regulation around land-based spaceports. Given the historical rate of regulatory change, as well as the Space Force expectation of at least 200 launches in just a couple more years, I don’t see how you avoid a painful bottleneck without moving some portion of launches offshore. Looking even further to the future, if the industry hopes to scale to upwards of 500 or even 1,000 launches per year in the next decade or two, it seems impossible for the existing spaceports, already at capacity, to support continued long-term launch growth.</p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">A Need for A Domestic Commercial Spaceport</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Beyond even this practical necessity for scaled spaceports, I think there is also an ideological argument for the United States having its own <i>commercial</i> spaceport. All of the current orbital-capable US spaceports are run by governments and governments have different incentives and priorities than that commercial industry.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We’re already seeing that play out in the spaceport world. There is only one US launch company that actually gets to choose between using a commercial spaceport and a government spaceport. Rocket Lab operates its own private, commercial spaceport in Mahia, New Zealand while now also having access to a pad at MARS in Virginia. In January 2023, Rocket Lab conducted its first launch out of MARS and a second one from that site in March 2023. Since then, Rocket Lab has conducted six more launches, all out of Mahia, and has over 10 more upcoming launches, all scheduled out of Mahia. That suggests to me a strong preference to using their own commercial spaceport, despite having initiated access to a government spaceport as well.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The CEO of Rocket Lab, Peter Beck, himself has emphasized this preference. In speaking about their experience at Mahia, he has said “We can turn stuff around quickly and be very commercial.” During delays from range issues leading up to their first launch at MARS, Beck stated that the issues, “make you appreciate owning your own range where you’re in control of all of this and you’re dealing with one regulator directly.”</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That’s great for Rocket Lab, but all the other US launchers are unlikely to have an international government offer exclusive use of coastal land, which the New Zealand government did for Rocket Lab. US rocket companies are stuck with the five government-run spaceports we’ve got. Unless we figure out some way of adding a commercial spaceport in the US, that’s going to remain the case.</p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Taking It Back to the Top</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This brings me back to the very beginning of this newsletter, where I said that I was biased on this topic. The reason is that a friend of mine, Tom Marotta, has been working on this issue since February 2022. I met Tom in 2021, when he was the Launch Licensing Lead at the rocket company Astra Space. At Astra, he had the role of standing up their launch pad at Cape Canaveral, which he did in record time of 8 months. That was possible because, prior to Astra, Tom worked in the FAA’s office of Commercial Space Transportation, where he wrote the Part 450 regulation that covers launch vehicle licensing. All this is to say that I respect Tom’s opinion on this topic.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In February 2022, Tom started The Spaceport Company in an effort to address this pain point. After trying in vain to find any US coastal land that could be converted to a new commercial spaceport, he turned to offshore launch. I’m not going to turn this article into a full marketing piece for The Spaceport Company, I think that’d be a bit shameless of me. Instead, I’ll just say that I don’t really see a scalable solution to the spaceport bottleneck other than offshore launch (besides significant regulatory change). If you want to learn more about The Spaceport Company you can bug Tom yourself at <a class="link" href="mailto:tom@thespaceportcompany.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">tom@thespaceportcompany.com</a> and here’s a recent offshore demo showing what they’re up to.</p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="true" class="youtube_embed" frameborder="0" height="100%" src="https://youtube.com/embed/U6IIf_zGIeo" width="100%"></iframe><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Wrapping It Up</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The rumblings regarding spaceport congestion have been rising for the last 12 months, which is increasing the discussion around the topic. Payload Space recently published an <a class="link" href="https://payloadspace.com/opinion-space-launch-could-falterbig-time/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-looming-spaceport-bottleneck" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Op-Ed on the topic</a>, in which the author, Space Force Captain Nicholas Francoeur, emphasized the national security vulnerabilities of limited spaceport supply. In the piece, Francoeur asks “<span style="color:rgb(18, 18, 18);font-family:Inter, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">What happens if the largest US-based launch centers are indefinitely disrupted?”</span></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I really don’t know what the solution to spaceport congestion is going to look like, there are currently no silver bullets as far as I can tell. Ultimately, we’re all in this boat together, range delays and rising launch costs due to congestion impact every stakeholder in this industry. You can’t get to space without going through a spaceport. Hopefully, we figure something out, because if we’re lucky and the industry continues to grow, this issue isn’t going away anytime soon.</p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=d62d4ea1-a658-4475-8a7e-13ba12c84bc2&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Today I have the privilege to share an interview with someone who has had an immense impact on the space industry, Lori Garver. Garver is most well known for her time as NASA Deputy Administrator from 2009 to 2013 and her career is deeply woven into the success of commercial spaceflight over the last two decades.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/5333ceb9-1ddd-4a14-b566-68931b742ff5/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Former NASA Deputy Administrator Lori Garver in 2012 during her time at NASA</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It’s not a huge stretch to say that without Garver in her role at NASA, there would not be anything like the commercial space industry that we know today.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">She was maybe the key player in the survival and sustainment of NASA’s <a class="link" href="https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/launch/overview.html?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">commercial cargo</a> and <a class="link" href="https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/commercial/crew/index.html?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">commercial crew</a> programs. Without her, those programs would likely have been defunded in their infancy, through efforts orchestrated by legacy space stakeholders. Furthermore, without the sustained support of those programs from NASA and the opportunities they provided, SpaceX would likely have run out of capital, ending the company’s efforts before its first Falcon 9 flight.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Consequently, without Garver in the NASA Deputy Administrator role, it’s probable that the US would not be flying human-rated launch vehicles or capsules since the retirement of the Space Shuttle in 2011. That would have meant, amongst many other consequences, that the US would currently be dependent on Russian rockets for sending astronauts to the International Space Station.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">If this story is at all interesting to you, I can’t recommend enough her book <a class="link" href="https://www.amazon.com/Escaping-Gravity-Quest-Transform-Launch/dp/1635767709?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Escaping Gravity</a>, published in 2022, which is part autobiography, part tell-all of her time in the space industry and at NASA.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Lori is a role model to many whose careers involve the opportunity to work on commercial space-related projects, including myself. </p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Your career has focused largely on the transition of the government from building its own launch vehicles toward purchasing launch services. What other key space products or services do you think make the most sense for the government to start purchasing commercially rather than building internally?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I love this question because it sort of gets at the issue that not every program needs the same type of procurement mechanism. In my entire career, launch vehicles had been something that we were working on to get the costs down. There were other customers for launch besides NASA, like commercial customers and other governments. So that diverse customer base made that transition for launch ripe for at least a decade.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We had been doing that in other areas and still are, where I think it&#39;s very helpful. For example, buying communications data for the military has been a huge benefit. Same with remote sensing data. Those are areas where I would expect to grow as companies can develop things that have markets beyond the government. Beyond that, even where it&#39;s repeatable and there&#39;s a technology that you can scope because it&#39;s mature, those make sense.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When I was at NASA, on the International Space Station we purchased drinkable water as a service. We didn’t pay to have the water purification recycling system set up because we had an agreement to buy the drinkable fluids. That wasn’t talked about much, but I’m sure it still exists on the ISS. And you could certainly imagine that as the Low Earth Orbit (LEO) economy grows, there’s a continued market for the purification and recycling of water. So we felt that we could help incentivize that development by saying, “We&#39;ll, purchase that first.”</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I guess I still am a bit questioning some of the lunar activities that we are thinking are commercial, when we at NASA are the only customer in the foreseeable future.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I am more bullish on the commercial LEO market. I think for the LEO commercial destinations that will come after the end of the Space Station, that is where I would like to see NASA leverage more money. Because we know that there are not only tourists but also researchers who want to use those facilities as the costs come down. That will be very exciting when that happens. I think that NASA is on a great path towards that. However, because Artemis is taking so much focus, the LEO commercial destinations are maybe not getting the funding that they will need to not have a gap in human space flight.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4c5075e4-9117-4920-8bce-c3fcc8135ac0/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Charles Bolden, nominee for administrator of NASA, left, and Lori Garver, nominee for deputy administrator of NASA, testify at their confirmation hearing before the Senate Commerce in 2009</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Sometimes it feels like there’s a movement to purchase everything in space “as a service” and completely eliminate cost-plus contracting. Is there still a role for cost-plus contracting in the aerospace industry? If so, what conditions of a program would be appropriate to mature with a cost-plus contract?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It&#39;s very ironic to me that Administrator, Senator Nelson called cost plus contracting a plague. I do not agree. I think there are things at NASA that still will require cost-plus contracting for missions that are one-offs and there&#39;s not another customer and we don&#39;t have the technology to go and procure it in another way. For example, we look at things like Gateway that decided to go fixed cost, but they&#39;re still costing hundreds of millions more because they can argue that NASA changed requirements, which is true. So I think each program really requires NASA to consider the whole landscape about what tools are available to them and decide based on what&#39;s going to be the best value to the taxpayer.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now, personally, I&#39;ll just add that if your goal is partly to develop an industrial base, which ours was in the Obama administration, and you know there is a competitive commercial environment, it’s possible to select things that are well suited to fixed price or service contracts. When you&#39;re developing policy at going to the Moon and Mars, we don’t necessarily have that competitive commercial environment. So we&#39;re now trying to jam those efforts into our new services way of doing things. It might work out where there is this mixed approach where you have some programs that are cost-plus and others that aren&#39;t. It’s an experiment.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In reading the book, it seemed to me that there is a trend for organizations over time to increasingly leverage the political process for winning contracts as opposed to what is supposed to be a more openly competitive process. How do we as an industry or how do organizations resist that trend?</h2><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/subscribe?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In terms of companies avoiding too heavily on using the political process, I think there are efforts companies can make to go too far down that route. I like the question because it gets at the heart of one of the reasons I felt so strongly about championing the transition to a more entrepreneurial type of competitive process. Ideally getting out of that government system which has the wrong types of incentives. So I would encourage entrepreneurial companies to be smart about it in that sense.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I really do think SpaceX has done a terrific job of that. They did get criticism at times because they started participating more in the political process and lobbying more heavily. But it never has led them to develop the kind of standing armies of lobbyists that the major aerospace companies have. We&#39;re even seeing now Blue Origin behaving in what feels to me from the outside as some very heavy-handed directed lobbying. The kind that used to happen in the good old days and the Shelby days and so forth. They seemed to have used that for getting a second lunar lander. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think it&#39;s pretty shameless what members will go ahead and do that is so obviously just directly for their constituents, but we have to recognize that their job is to deliver for constituents. So if we as a public and as an aerospace community don&#39;t have some sort of correcting behavior, why would they not pursue that route? Companies are also incentivized to do things that way. That is why I felt strongly and say in the book a few times, I really think it’s the administrations who have to stand up.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I know that&#39;s hard. It was hard for us in the Obama administration and we didn&#39;t always do it. You can call them out for what they are. I think over time it&#39;s more positive to have a competitive environment and that you&#39;re not focused on Washington. We interact with who we&#39;re comfortable with and it&#39;s all about incentives. So companies, new companies especially, can set policies that disincentivize this kind of thing versus what the natural tendencies are.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/703d1e78-64b4-4cbb-bcd1-71a4b052b530/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Garver receiving a tour of SpaceX from Elon Musk in 2010</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">I think in the space industry there can be a glorification of individuals with “technical” backgrounds I have often bought into myself as someone with an engineering background. And yet, throughout the book, you’re often fighting to enable innovation, opposed by those leveraging their “technical” backgrounds to discredit your perspective. How do you think about those challenges?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think glorifying technical excellence is positive and we should absolutely do it. We just shouldn&#39;t translate their technical achievements into achievements in other areas such as management or politics or really even leadership. Technical people just like all of us, aren&#39;t good at everything. And sometimes those skills, as I point out in the book, do cause a problem when you get in a leadership position because, when you&#39;re a hammer, all you see is a nail. You are a planetary geologist, so all you want to do is landers. Well, if you&#39;re working on behalf of the public and maybe orbiters are the next thing, then that should be your focus, but if you have a particular interest in another arena where your friends also happen to work, then that can get problematic. These are wonderful skills to have and I do not have them. And I had no issue with giving major awards and props to the people that are really delivering on the technical stuff, it&#39;s incredible. Does that mean they&#39;re good at making policy? Not necessarily. We have to be able to separate that.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In your book, it was often illustrated how challenging it can be as a woman in aerospace. As a founder of the Brooke Owens fellowship, you’re facing head-on the aerospace industry’s lack of representation of female and non-binary talent. What actions or behaviors have you seen leadership in organizations take to make the organizations conducive to a more diverse set of talent?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think the key is to be intentional and not pretend these differences don&#39;t exist. To recognize that these, often unconscious, biases are built in all of us and to try to offer programs where people do feel like they&#39;re welcome and want to belong. That&#39;s the goal of the <a class="link" href="http://www.brookeowensfellowship.org/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Brooke Owens</a> and <a class="link" href="https://www.pgsfellowship.org/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Patty Grace Smith</a> Fellowships. For both of those programs, I see the companies where they work and those that have the better experiences being the ones who hire a more diverse group of folks. So people don&#39;t feel that there isn&#39;t anyone there that they can really relate to. The organizations most successful at creating that environment are those that have specific programs for it and whose leadership is willing to address it when there are problems head-on.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/17610468-c61b-4f10-8df8-29ed4265eb07/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Garver (far right) with Brooke Owens Fellows</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As an aside, applications for the 2024 classes of <a class="link" href="http://www.brookeowensfellowship.org/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Brooke Owens Fellowship</a>, <a class="link" href="https://www.matthewisakowitzfellowship.org/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Matthew Isakowitz Fellowship Program</a>, and <a class="link" href="https://www.pgsfellowship.org/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Patti Grace Smith Fellowship</a> are now open. The fellowships provide summer internships and executive mentorships for students looking to work in the commercial space industry. If you’re a current student or you know one who’d be interested, check out the links above!</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/53fd7b4e-bef5-4634-9ef8-ae4d6441e880/image.png"/></div><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/cb1ca982-6374-4588-8c05-6dc83ed08b59/Screenshot_2023-09-28_at_8.52.03_AM.png"/></div><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In contrast, what actions have you seen companies attempt, maybe with positive intentions, that have been less effective or even detrimental toward making an organization more inclusive?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Well, I think in general the companies that struggle are those who believe this is something that&#39;ll take care of itself if they&#39;re just “selecting the best people”. Yes, we all fully believe we should be selecting the best people. But it is, again, often unintended biases that creep in.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Beyond that, I think when you have someone report something and nothing happens, that is a huge signal to people. We all ought to be aware that people communicate today, and people are aware of when these things happen. Yes, it can be very uncomfortable. I have had to make calls to companies on behalf of fellows who&#39;ve experienced some of this. It&#39;s not an easy conversation, but I&#39;ll tell you, when you do and something changes, it can make all the difference. So companies who get into trouble because someone on their team did something, they really need to address it openly and directly as much as possible.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Is there anything else you’d like to add on this topic?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, I guess I&#39;d say two things. For one, we’ve made a ton of progress. The reception for the Brooke Owens and Patty Grace Fellowships by the aerospace industry has been phenomenal. We have wait lists for companies that want to participate and hire people with these backgrounds. But also, we have some work to do to make sure that when we have early career people, their careers advance in a way that is equal to those who all look like the current industry leadership. So, valuing us for our differences is important to me. I frankly, did feel quite included in the industry. <a class="link" href="https://www.womeninaerospace.org/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nasa-s-relationship-with-commercial-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Women in Aerospace</a> started within my first couple years. It was only when I got to more senior positions where my decisions had an impact on people, and that those who disagreed would use my background to say, “Oh, she&#39;s not a serious person.” In this country, and really throughout civilization, men have been seen as “the leaders”. So it&#39;s something to overcome within our industry as we grow in our careers.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">At a time where the prevailing industry wisdom was that only governments could handle big challenges like putting humans in space, you had a conviction and a risk posture around what private industry could accomplish. Where do you think that conviction came from?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think that conviction of mine grew out of decades of learning in the 1980’s from people who worked at the National Space Society, we were the product of a merger with the L5 Society. I look at testimony I made on the organization&#39;s behalf in the late 80’s and early 90’s, and it was very much aligned with this conviction. The head of NASA for 10 years, from 1992 to 2002, Dan Golden, also had this conviction. I was at NASA for six years during that period of time and it just seemed so obviously correct. The only way we were going to address the issue of cost, and the only way to really develop space is to lower the transportation costs. So it was a pretty strongly held belief. It was just challenging to implement, for a variety of reasons that I outlined in the book, because of vested interests in which we were challenging cost-plus contracts. Which is understandable that those interests would resist.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">A common criticism of traditional prime contractors is of the “revolving door” in which retiring government leadership joins industry and leverages their experience or relationships to benefit a private company. More recently some New Space companies are starting to recruit former government leadership, with some prominent examples being SpaceX’s recruitment of former NASA Human Spaceflight Chief Kathey Lueders and prior to that, Bill Gerstenmaier. Do you think that transition is a natural consequence of how our nation’s public-private partnerships are structured or is it something to be pushed back against? Is there a more “right” or “wrong” way for that transition to take place?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, I believe that the revolving door is something you try to work against with policy. You have a year-long waiting period after folks leave their government positions and before they can represent a company where they were involved with acquisitions. Those are somewhat meaningless though because you can get around talking directly to your former agency when you&#39;re in your waiting period. However, I don&#39;t really know that aerospace is taking that much criticism for it.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I was surprised both at Bill Gerstenmaier and Kathy&#39;s going to such senior positions at SpaceX. But this has happened historically. Look at even someone like Tom Young who was quite senior at NASA and went to Lockheed and was president of Lockheed for many years. He never took any criticism. I don&#39;t know that Gerst has ever taken any criticism for going there. He&#39;s really in a technical role it seems, and I think he had such a positive impact on the technical side, that this was seen as a really great move by SpaceX. I think Kathy Lueders moving to SpaceX was also seen as really positive for SpaceX.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Where I found it unseemly, and I’ve named those people previously so I won’t now, is where someone was within NASA and they lobbied within the agency and on Capitol Hill for a cost-plus program to be awarded to someone. And then as soon as they got that program through, they left NASA and went to that company. It&#39;s ironic that Bill Gerstenmaier went to SpaceX because he was going to select Boeing. He wasn&#39;t someone who leaned in on SpaceX, at least during the time that I was at NASA.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Kathy was very supportive of SpaceX’s concepts and in fact was the source selection official, I believe, on the lunar lander. So that one was a little more surprising, but it doesn&#39;t have to be negative. I think the issue is if, in your government role, you are advocating for something that is directed to that company, you should really recuse yourself for probably longer than a year.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">You know, there can be a really positive aspect to going in and out of the government. I have worked in industry and in government, including two tours at NASA, and I felt like my second tour, because I had worked for industry prior, I had a lot more knowledge. I was better at the job. So I would hate to say that someone has to stay in the same type of job for their whole career. It can be very beneficial. You just really have to watch what it is you&#39;re overseeing and have to be fully transparent.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Thinking about space policy: If you had a magic wand and could instantly change any law or regulation affecting NASA, what would you do?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This is tough. One thing that would be really powerful would be the ability to guarantee multi-year funding. That would be great, because these are long-term programs. That being said, I’m not critical of changes that result from elections or new administrations, since that&#39;s democracy and that&#39;s part of the process. But for multi-year programs, it can be very difficult to plan using only annual appropriations. We do things that are not smart or efficient based on annual appropriations.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Beyond that, I mean NASA&#39;s not a regulatory agency. I do believe that overall the regulatory environment needs a lot of work. I think the sharing of airspace and the issue of orbital space debris need to be addressed. I saw recently that the FCC was deemed out of order in their attempts to do something about space debris, it was considered not under their purview. My response would be, “Well then who?”. I think we all agree it needs to be done.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So some sort of process, it doesn&#39;t really matter to me where it lives, that can impact space sustainability would be important. Both that and air traffic deconfliction for launches would be really important to address.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Is there anything you would have done differently during your career?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:black;">Haha, </span>I am so openly willing to say yes when I know others will say that they wouldn’t change a thing. I would absolutely, if I knew what I knew today, I would go back and do things differently. I love my career and I still think there are things I could have done better to advance the goals that I felt strongly about. I do get the sentiment that things worked out pretty well, so maybe, you know, it&#39;s the butterfly effect. If I changed something, I don’t know the effect that would result.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But there were a couple specific things like during the transition between Bush and Obama, when I was leading that team, I was working with Democrats on the Hill House and Senate appropriators about them initiating a review of Constellation. What I was hearing were these incredible stories of cost overruns and delays and technical problems. They were hearing them too, and they were interested in a review. I, for instance, wish I would&#39;ve pursued that with them more strongly instead of what we did very quickly into the administration, which was put in the Augustine committee for review.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Because that did pit us as an administration sort of, against Congress. I think if they were responsible for reviewing things themselves and came up with the same results, we could have had a more smooth transition. That&#39;s just one example.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are you most excited about the future of the space industry?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There are a few things I remain enthused about, including the space industry&#39;s ability to help address what is a major challenge for all humanity on this planet, climate change. I think we have a lot to offer. We already provide an unbelievable amount of data focusing on that. I think the Pew Institute just did a survey that came out on the public&#39;s interest in what NASA&#39;s priorities should be. The top two consistently have been addressing climate change and asteroid deflection. Those are still the top two. Asteroids beat out climate this year. The very bottom of these are sending people to the Moon and Mars. I mean, it&#39;s literally a huge difference of like, 60% of people think that priorities should be climate and asteroid and less than 10% believe they should be sending people to Moon and Mars. No one talks about it because the NASA people and the Hill are driving forward with their Moon and Mars efforts, but I&#39;m really excited about helping and having the space program that I know and love, play a role in something that&#39;s going to be so impactful.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Then like a lot of people, I just can&#39;t help but be excited about Starship. If Starship works, it&#39;s going to change a lot of things. We will be able to do things in space that I have not really been thinking for a long time that we could do in my lifetime. 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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For SpaceDotBiz this week, I interviewed <a class="link" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellenmchang/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=enabling-startup-innovation-in-defense-and-nasa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Ellen Chang</a>, Vice President of Ventures at <a class="link" href="https://www.bmnt.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=enabling-startup-innovation-in-defense-and-nasa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">BMNT</a>. BMNT is a global advisory and consulting firm that seeks to use startup methods to introduce innovation into government organizations. BMNT’s customers include NASA, the US Department of Defense (including the Navy, Air Force, and Space Force), the UK Royal Navy, and others. Ellen lives in many ways at the intersection of frontier technology, the defense department, and civilian government. Her primary technology area of focus is aerospace and her professional experiences span time in the military, at startups, and in prime defense contractors.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/fbf0cae5-84ee-4450-9701-101211b6e0de/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Ellen Chang, VP of Ventures at BMNT</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">After attending college at the University of Pennsylvania, Ellen started a 30-year career as a Naval officer, including 8 years of active duty and 22 years as a reservist, retiring in 2018 from the Navy with the rank of Captain. After 8 years of active duty in Naval intelligence, Ellen went back to school for an MBA at The Wharton School at The University of Pennsylvania. She then spent two years in banking at JP Morgan and then over 12 years at Northrop Grumman as a Director of Advanced Systems. In 2015, she left Northrop and has since been working to facilitate the adoption of innovative technology within government in her role at BMNT.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Some of the programs that she supports in an advisory role are the <a class="link" href="https://www.afwerx.af.mil/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=enabling-startup-innovation-in-defense-and-nasa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">AFWERX</a> (Air Force) and <a class="link" href="https://spacewerx.us/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=enabling-startup-innovation-in-defense-and-nasa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">SpaceWERX</a> (Space Force) Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) programs, the NASA Ignite SBIR program, the SpaceWERX Orbital Prime program, the Hacking 4 Defense university curriculum, and others. This interview will cover topics like how the relationship between DoD and startups is shifting, the role the SBIR programs have in transitioning technology, other acquisition structures Ellen’s excited about, and much more.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now let’s dive in!</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">You started your career in the Navy including much of that time in Naval intelligence, is that what first brought you to the space industry?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yes, that time first got me intrigued by space because we were using space-based assets for many things, primarily satellite imagery. I don&#39;t know that I necessarily saw a future in the space industry at the time. Everything in the Navy was so new to me. I didn&#39;t even know that I was going to be in the Navy until college when I got the scholarship. I grew up overseas as an American abroad and came to the States and needed to pay for school. I was looking for a scholarship and the Navy ROTC program presented an opportunity. I didn’t know anything about ships. I didn’t know ships were gray, didn’t know boats were different from ships. But suffice it to say once I got in, I was hooked.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Where I really got involved in space was later in my career at Northrop Grumman. I was working on advanced programs in the aerospace sector. I mostly worked on autonomous systems, so mostly the drone side. But one of the programs that I led combined space and air. That&#39;s when I started to get involved in concept development around futuristic visions.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">You spent 12 years at Northrop Grumman, with your last role as Director of Advanced Systems in the Unmanned Systems Division. What were some of the major themes or takeaways from your time in that role? How would it eventually shape your perspective on startup tech development in aerospace and defense?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That’s a complex question. The program I was on was the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk itself was probably 80% commercial products. It used circuit boards that would essentially be out-of-date in five years because the computing industry was moving so quickly. We were innovating around a variety of newer technologies including composites and autonomy. It was really exciting to be in that program.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The frustrating piece was the government&#39;s way of managing the program. Even though we wanted to switch out a circuit board in the aircraft, we had to do a “Mother may I?” to the government, which would take months, and then they would say “No”. Then we would go back to the drawing board and almost have to redevelop everything. That would add two or three years and probably $20 million or $30 million cost to the system, just because we had to follow these, not even laws, but policies that were in place.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Once we got into the 2014, 2015 timeframe, the commercial drone industry began to open up. I had personally worked at a startup before Northrop Grumman during the dotcom era. I had founded a company that revolved around the internet business of purchasing aircraft parts. So I had a flavor of the startup world and so I saw the startup drone world as a new opportunity. That&#39;s what got me involved with the startup side, bringing along my experience and addressing how to fit commercial companies into a challenging government structure. I did not know that all that experience would combine to be relevant today, where you see several commercially available startups looking to work with the government and government groups trying to leverage startups. That&#39;s how it all kind of came together.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Can you talk about the role that you and BMNT play in your work with NASA and the DoD?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Absolutely. BMNT stands for Before Morning Nautical Twilight. It’s a navigation term that stands for the time of day when ground forces are most vulnerable. Pete Newell, who came out of the Army Rapid Equipping Force, started the company and named it BMNT. It was founded about 10 years ago to support governments looking to introduce innovation. He had learned a lot about using commercial technology to support forces in Afghanistan and he wanted to bring that practice into defense. That&#39;s still the heritage of the company.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/62240762-0854-4f23-b236-793d68b4d992/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Ellen Chang (far right) at a NASA industry event organized by her team at BMNT.</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">One of our most successful programs is Hacking 4 Defense, which is now sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense and is organized under the National Security Innovation Network. That program’s vision is workforce transformation. It engages non-military oriented college students who want to solve really hard challenges and seeks to link them with problem sponsors inside the DoD. That core is still what BMNT is about.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We now have several projects with different innovation arms within DoD. NavalX is a customer, we’ve worked with AFWERX and now SpaceWERX as well. So in that way, BMNT is an enterprise services group that directly interfaces with the government. We also operate H4X Labs which includes a handful of innovation programs that are more focused on startups and supporting their integration with government. We’re now working with SpaceWERX and supporting the companies in their Orbital Prime portfolio as well.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So there are two sides to BMNT, one that is facing larger government or corporate entities and one that is facing the startups by doing tech scouting and helping startups de-risk their efforts to introduce a capability to the government.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How are you seeing NASA and the Space Force change in the way that they engage with early-stage space companies? How about in how they acquire services or products from those companies?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In the broad scheme of all DoD and NASA acquisitions, I have a very narrow soda straw view. What I do see is both groups looking to tap into commercial innovation by bringing in funding, typically by leveraging their Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) program, and encouraging companies to supplement that funding by seeking commercial revenue or venture funding.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">A couple of other structural changes have occurred with the NASA program in particular. For example, NASA has received feedback around the gap in time between completing a Phase I SBIR and starting a Phase II. They’ve used that to change the process for their Ignite SBIR program so that the phases are more tightly coupled together. They realize that they don&#39;t want companies to get to the end of the Phase I and then propose for the Phase II and six months later get access to that Phase 2 funding. They realize that the gap sometimes causes startups to lose talent.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">NASA and SpaceWERX look to play a role in funding this innovation, but they encourage companies to go raise money if they feel it is appropriate. I want to emphasize that companies should only raise venture financing if they feel it is suitable for them, because the government is not in the business of encouraging companies to give away their equity. But the government does know that venture financing is an option for companies to go faster.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How are you seeing the way investors and private capital markets are changing their approach to the defense sector?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Great question. Three or four years ago, I would not have thought there would be so many investors as there are now looking at national security or dual-use startups. I would say that the number of top-tier firms looking at what we would call, “deep tech” with some national security overlay has probably doubled or tripled. There are a few reasons for that. For one, supply chain issues during Covid have shown us that we have seeded our ability to manufacture overseas. We couldn’t manufacture our own ventilators domestically when we needed to.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We started to see how our supply chains were so interwoven and that felt pretty risky. Even before then though, the Defense Innovation Unit was out looking to court commercially available startups. What I&#39;m getting at is we have a whole class of investors that are realizing that there&#39;s potential in commercial technology making a difference in national security. Those commercial entities may or may not already be government contractors. The spectrum of how “dual-use” a company can be is quite broad. That spans anywhere from a company should only look at the DoD as a customer all the way to a company that has an entirely commercial customer base. The typically recommended path is to first figure out a commercial market and then later figure out how to tap into and adapt your technology to the DoD.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The reason for that is because the DoD is not a good customer. It&#39;s slow, with multi-year sales cycles. Congress cuts budgets and plans are changed very suddenly. We&#39;re in a current period where budgets are rising, but that could change. The process is cyclical and budget trends swing back and forth like a pendulum. When I started my accelerator in 2015, I came from Northrop Grumman and a world of government contracting. I was teaching companies how to leverage funding strategically, not as a revenue source. You use it as a way to move along your technology roadmap. At the same time you are figuring out your market and customers.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Another differentiation that I believe is important to understand is the distiction in where private funding is going. I think there was a TechCrunch article recently saying the billions that went into dual-use startups in 2022. I kind of don&#39;t believe that. I&#39;m pretty sure most of that would have gone into two companies, SpaceX and Blue Origin.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Historically the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) program has been a way for NASA and the Air Force to mature innovative technology but has struggled to see capabilities through full operational maturity. Why do you think that has been the case?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">One primary reason is that they&#39;re not designed to transition everything. That&#39;s not their intent. Their intent is to seed and generate options. What I think needs to happen a little bit further is that the SBIR programs need to market to the services what is coming out of their portfolios, so the services are more aware of the technologies being developed.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There&#39;s also a timing element that is a challenge. Meaning, as technologies mature, are programs ready to receive and incorporate them? However, that timing problem may never go away, so with respect to their purpose of creating options, I think they actually do fairly well.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I’m involved in supporting the space technology portfolio for SpaceWERX, but I’m also supporting efforts in energy for government customers and I’m looking closely at those technologies. In that tech area, there’s been real success. The number of battery technology startups that have been seeded by SBIR programs from the Army, Air Force, and Navy are vast. That gives us a lot of options for services to tap into, but not all are intended to be matured to a program. If you&#39;re one of the companies, that’s challenging right? Because you&#39;re like, “I&#39;m competing against all these teams and I need to go find my next set of funding.”</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">My philosophy, and how I like to work with folks, is that I recommend they think about their technology roadmap first and figure out all the customers that could help with that. Don’t become a project-based company, be very careful to keep your eye on that commercial market.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How are you seeing NASA and DoD changing the SBIR program to ultimately bridge the traditional “Valley of Death” and getting them on a program of record?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For AFWERX and the Air Force specifically, they’ve recently in 2018 initiated the STRATFI and TACFI programs, which is intended to provide larger dollar amounts in order to support companies getting beyond the prototyping stage. If you think about it, Phase I and Phase II SBIR contracts with the DoD generally are about doing some research and development. Then by the end of Phase II, you should have a prototype. That&#39;s generally how the DoD thinks about it. So how do you get from prototype to some product that is fairly mature enough to then get adopted? That&#39;s what STRATFI and TACFI are for. Some of the other program agencies inside the DoD are starting to have their own versions of those programs.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Other organizations are looking at how to provide greater dollar amounts to companies that compete well and prove themselves. The Navy in particular, has an interesting open topic focus for their SBIR which is targeted at commercially available technology at a later TRL level of closer to 5, 6, or 7. They will pay for customer discovery in Phase I, and then in Phase II they pay for the adaptation of the technology to a DoD need. That adaptation dollar amount for the Phase II can actually vary depending on the system&#39;s needs. That customer then will continue to seed as so long as whatever company continues to make progress. That&#39;s my understanding of their program. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">NASA is another organization with its own path. They don&#39;t have a STRATFI, but what they do have is three different types of matching programs. So if you are able to get through their Phase II and you start to show Letters of Intent or even purchase orders, you&#39;ll then compete for dollar-to-dollar matching of any revenues and/or private funding. You can be eligible for up to $6 million of that matching.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Are there any other efforts by the DoD or NASA that we haven’t discussed yet that you’re particularly interested in at this time?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Well to me, the Department of Energy’s ARPA-E program is fascinating. It’s a larger scaling opportunity, targeted at the types of companies that require a tremendous amount of capital to scale up manufacturing. So the ARPA-E program can involve tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars. Those programs have their own challenges around signaling risk. If ARPA-E invests in a company, then all the investors come swarming and they don’t want to be deciding a winner.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What advice do you have for startups looking to get their foot in the door in working with the DoD</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What I emphasize to companies is “Partner! Partner! Partner!” Federal government contracting is very complex. You should partner to find sources of information. If you&#39;re a technology startup and you’re developing products over time, understand your value chain and understand all the stakeholders that are in there. This industry, especially in the aerospace side, is very much a “competimate/frenemy” industry. At Northrop Grumman, I was always either competing with Raytheon or all of a sudden we were tied at the hip. And the talent moves between these companies all the time.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are you most excited about in the space industry?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think there&#39;s quite a bit of potential in manufacturing certain types of items in space. I understand silicon actually manifests a lot better in microgravity in terms of higher yield like 80, 90% versus maybe 40% here on Earth. So I&#39;m excited for that kind of potential.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What really gets me going about space are the people that are in it to solve hard challenges. That&#39;s what really keeps me excited about being part of the community and wanting to support it. I&#39;m no longer an engineer. I&#39;m not gonna be at that level designing things, but I think I offer a unique perspective having done systems engineering and now focusing on questions like “How do we do product development within this sector?” or “How can we tap into private capital to pursue this market”. That&#39;s what&#39;s kept me going for this extended amount of time.</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:18px;">That wraps up part two. 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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As the “New Space” industry emerged over the last two decades it required a class of capital to fund the expensive development programs necessary to bring space products to market. Reluctantly at first, and more enthusiastically over the last ten or so years, venture capital has become that funding source. Today, venture is the first place most space entrepreneurs look to when capitalizing their startup ambitions, for better or worse.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The relationship with venture capital is nothing less than fundamental to the future of the space industry. Venture financing has empowered nearly every new space project over the last 10 years and makes the majority of the innovation in this industry possible. Given this trend, it’s important to understand that there are incentives and expectations that come with raising venture financing.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/d03b1d63-966d-484a-825d-8fd139b8bed4/Screenshot_2023-07-08_at_9.50.25_AM.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As the market soared from late 2020 to early 2022, it was easy for founders to overlook the implications of raising capital from the venture community. But now that valuations have come back to Earth and investors are no longer deploying investment capital based on an tacit expectation of ever-rising valuations, those implications are back in focus.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Over the past 12 months, there has been a re-emphasis on the incentives that come with taking venture capital. In this newsletter, I aim to explicitly discuss those incentives and the positive and negative consequences that they typically create.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I’ll address how venture capital funds are structured, why companies taking venture capital are incentivized to go big or fail, who makes money in an exit event for a venture capital-funded startup, and what dropping valuations mean for companies that have already taken venture investments.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Let’s dig in.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How venture capital is structured</h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There are three main parties in the venture capital world; the Limited Partners, the General Partners, and the portfolio companies.</p><h5 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Limited Partners (those who give venture capital investors money)</b></h5><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The Limited Partners, or LPs, are where the money comes from that ultimately gets invested into startups. LP’s are typically organizations like pension funds, high net worth individuals, sovereign wealth funds and endowments, and other professional investors. These days venture capitalists often raise hundreds of millions to billions of dollars for each fund, and while some LPs may be wealthy individuals or even successful former entrepreneurs, many LPs manage billions of dollars and are some of the world’s biggest sources of private capital. Depending on their own mandate, the LPs will have a diversified investment strategy and Venture Capital will represent a small portion of that overall strategy, usually a single-digit percentage; even a small percentage of a $50 billion fund is a huge dollar amount. These are organizations like the Harvard University endowment ($50+ billion as of 2022) and the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund ($240+ billion as of 2022). These LPs, who are themselves professional investors, need to decide where to invest their capital, who to invest with and how to provide stability and long-term growth that satisfies their own mandates.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>General Partners (the venture capital investors)</b></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The next major players are the General Partners or GPs. The GPs are owners, general managers and usually the lead investors for the venture capital fund. Not to overcomplicate this, but not all venture capital investors are GPs but all GPs are investors. Junior members of a Venture Capital fund may be on the investment team, sourcing and doing diligence on startup investment opportunities and supporting portfolio companies, but they may not be one of the General Partners. A good analogy to this would be a law firm. Most law firms have swaths of junior lawyers but only a handful of named partners (or General Partners) who actually have their own money at risk. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The GPs raise the money from their LPs and decide which startup investments to make. After making investments into startups, they support the startups in their growth journey with the goal that the original investment will eventually return a larger amount of money back than originally invested.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">While the LPs represent the majority of capital contributed to a venture fund, the GPs will always put up some personal capital to invest alongside the LPs. This helps align incentives between LPs and GPs. A rule of thumb is that GPs will invest their own personal money that accounts for between 1% and 2% of total funds raised. For example, if the VC raises a $100 million fund, $98 million will come from the LPs and $2 million will come from the GPs.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Portfolio Companies</b></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Finally, there are the portfolio companies, who receive investments from the Venture Capital funds. In the case of an investment in a successful startup, the VC will receive a future return on their original investment (ideally a multiple of it) through an “exit” or “liquidity event”, such as being acquired or IPO. In a perfect world, the GPs invest their funds into a bunch of portfolio companies and between 7 and 10 years later the GPs receive a much larger amount of money returned from those investments. Then the GPs take a percent of the gain on the investment return (known as carried interest) and distribute the remainder of the positive return back to their LPs, and everyone is happy! </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Here are some examples of high-profile names in each of these categories.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/65b99a21-fb5b-4c3f-b8e0-3ab767d33614/Screenshot_2023-03-05_at_3.51.22_PM.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>An important thing to note; venture capital funds are raised and invested in discrete amounts, often called XYZ Fund 1, 2, 3…. For example, a GP will raise money for their first fund, i.e. Fund 1, and then spend about two years investing money from that fund. When all the money from Fund 1 is fully invested, the fund will basically sit for another eight years while the companies it invested in continue developing. After that two-year investment window ends for Fund 1, and assuming some level of success by the investments, the GPs then go raise Fund 2 and invest that capital in a similar manner. As a result, a single venture capital firm may have many funds that are simultaneously active, but only one that they are typically investing out of at any given time. The other funds are holding ownership in a bunch of companies that hopefully grow in value.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>It’s worth quickly noting that many VCs will reserve a portion of each fund for a follow-on investment in their portfolio companies. This can be an investment in a portfolio company that is doing well and wants to raise growth capital at a higher valuation, or a company that isn’t doing as well as hoped and needs to raise additional capital, sometimes called “bridge” capital, in order to reach their original goals.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So great, now that we know the players involved, let’s dive a little deeper into the numbers that broadly define the incentive structure.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Go Big or Go Home </h1><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">First of all, venture capital is one of the riskier asset classes and the majority of investments don’t succeed. Spoiler alert, it turns out that it’s extremely hard to identify and invest in the early-stage companies that will grow to become the next Google or Apple. But thanks to the natural laws of investing, riskiness doesn’t mean uninvestable. Since most investments don’t succeed, investors (LPs) expect a high return from the venture funds in order to compensate for the added risk. If they weren’t being rewarded with higher returns, they would just put their money into a safer investment.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So what is considered a reasonable return for venture capital? Well, the market has decided that about 12%-15% annually is about right, which is solidly above the S&P’s average yearly growth of around 8-10% per year. Return expectations will vary by investment stage as well. For example, Seed stage investors would require a higher expected return than later stage investors (such as a Series E investor) since there is far higher risk when investing in seed stage startups compared to more mature businesses that have been derisked over time. Over 10 years, the life of a fund vintage, 12%-15% annual growth comes to about 3-5X increase in value. So for the sake of simplicity going forward, let’s call that 4X.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Simply stated, a GP’s goal is to raise money from their LPs, invest that money in great businesses, and in 10 years return 4X the original money back to their LPs. So how do they give themselves the best chance to do that? Well, this is where the incentives start to really drive the dynamics between the GPs and the portfolio companies.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Let’s take for example a VC that specializes in Seed stage companies and is investing out of a $100M fund. Let’s say that out of that fund, the GPs will make on average about 25 investments of around $4M each (in practice this is an oversimplification because, as alluded to earlier, venture investors typically hold onto a portion of the fund for follow-on rounds and there are also management fees that get paid with these funds). Let’s also say that each $4M investment gives the fund a 20% ownership position in each of the 25 companies, meaning that each company was valued at $20M when the investments are completed.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b><i>A note about dilution</i></b><i>: We’ll have to account for one small but important factor here, which is ownership dilution. A Seed round is usually the first investment round with institutional investors (i.e. VC’s), and any subsequent rounds will invariably dilute the early investors. Dilution isn’t necessarily a bad thing; early investors in any successful company face dilution at one point or another. If a company succeeds and completes later-stage investment funding rounds, a reasonable assumption is that the earliest investors’ ownership will be diluted by about 50%. So, for our example’s sake, by the time ten years have passed and the company has probably raised two to four more rounds of funding, the Seed fund’s 20% ownership gets diluted down to around 10%.</i></p><h4 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">1X Fund</span></b></h4><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So let’s see what happens if a bunch of those companies do really well, maybe 5 of them become worth $200M. That sounds like a pretty big win, picking ten companies that have gone up 10 times in value each.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">After 10 years the fund actually owns 10% of 5 companies valued at $200M each. Wait, so that means their ownership is worth $100M and since the original fund size was $100M, it is only back to its starting value. We know the GPs are really looking for a 4X return, so 1X is pretty awful.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I’m about to start sharing some homemade pictures, please forgive me for the horrors of how ugly these are and the sins of building them in PowerPoint.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/05d3ec24-afb3-47d0-9e48-0955ab25c779/Screenshot_2023-03-03_at_7.11.43_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>$100M was invested into 25 companies which are then valued at $20M each. After 10 years, 5 companies are worth $200M and the rest go out of business.</p></span></div></div><h4 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">2.6X Fund</span></b></h4><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But wait, what if out of those 5 companies, two of them do really well, and go up 5X more to $1B while the other 3 remain at $200M. Then you’ve got two companies representing $200M in fund value ($1B x 2 companies x 10% ownership in each company), while the other three are only representing $60M ($200M x 3 companies x 10% ownership in each company). Now the total fund return is $260M, or 2.6X. Even having invested in two companies that become “unicorns” (a private company valued at or above a billion dollars), the fund is still underperforming LP expectations.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/19d156eb-de7b-4c1e-a702-413197be083f/Screenshot_2023-03-03_at_7.12.12_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>$100M was invested into 25 companies which are then valued at $20M each. After 10 years, 3 companies are worth $200M, 2 are worth $1B and the rest go out of business.</p></span></div></div><h4 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">6.6X Fund</span></b></h4><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Next, what if one of those two top companies did even better and increased in value 5X again, to $5B. Then you’ve got one portfolio company at $5B, one at $1B, and three at $200M. With 10% ownership that corresponds to $660M in value to the fund. That’s an amazing return of 6.6X, and you have some extremely happy LP’s.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/629e0393-749b-416c-85ee-8005b4f0fb21/Screenshot_2023-03-03_at_7.12.49_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>$100M was invested into 25 companies which are then valued at $20M each. After 10 years, 3 companies are worth $200M, 1 is worth $1B, 1 is worth $5B and the rest go out of business.</p></span></div></div><h4 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">5X Fund</span></b></h4><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now let’s really drive the point home of what I’ve been progressing us towards - the power law of venture investing and the fact that one really big win is all a fund needs to hit its goals. Let’s say that the best performing company is still worth $5B, but all the others actually went completely belly up and are worth $0. With 10% ownership, the fund’s investment in that one company is worth $500M, or a 5X return on the whole fund, which means it still performed incredibly well.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/a18d3017-8426-42b9-bae0-34a8ace6d967/Screenshot_2023-03-03_at_7.13.49_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>$100M was invested into 25 companies which are then valued at $20M each. After 10 years, 1 company is worth $5B and the rest go out of business.</p></span></div></div><h4 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><br></h4><h4 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><b>The Takeaways</b></span></h4><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Here’s the real lesson: the returns from that one top-performing company (worth $5B) completely dwarfed the returns of all the others, even the other really good companies (worth $1B and $200M)</b>. In fact, without that best company in the portfolio, the 6.6X fund drops to a 1.6X fund.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">And when you compare the returns from only one massive winner (worth $5B and a 5X fund return) in the portfolio versus having 5 good winners (worth $200M each or $1B total and 1X fund return), the difference is even more stark. While this may seem obvious, clearly having a portfolio value of $500M is better than a portfolio value of $100M, it can feel a bit counterintuitive that you just want one massive winner rather than a more diversified group of great winners. What makes it even more counterintuitive is that picking one massive winner may be more likely than picking 5 great winners.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Building any successful company is really really hard, and the challenges don’t necessarily scale by the size of the company. In fact, in a weird way, it might even be easier to build a $5B company than a $200M one if the $5B company is in a growing, uncompetitive market while the $200M one is building in a stagnant and highly competitive market.</b></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When accounting for all of these factors, the point I’m trying to make is that <b>as a founder, your job is to convince the fund’s General Partners that you can be that one massive winner. To take it a step further, it is also important to note that if you convince them that you can be one of the great companies, but not a massive company, you are essentially doing nothing for them, because the great companies will never generate the outsized return they need to make their LP’s happy.</b></p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Why Fund Size Matters</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I know this may seem frustrating. You can build a multi-hundred million dollar company and still be considered a poor investment by venture capital investors. However, there’s something important to recognize here. The size of your company is not the only part of this equation that is within your control. You also get to choose your investor, which means you can also choose the size of the fund investing in your company.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This is important because the math that underlies the above example can conversely work in your favor as well. For the $100M fund, a 10% ownership in a portfolio company worth $2B (corresponding to $200M in value owned by the fund) means a 2X return on that fund’s value, which as we said, is below their target return. However, for a $50M fund, a 10% ownership in that same $2B portfolio company means a 4X return on that fund’s value, which is an amazing return!</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Therein lies another critical point: bigger funds need to have much bigger winners in their portfolios or own a larger percentage of their winners, which isn’t typically realistic. As a founder, you get to choose the metrics by which you’re measured when you choose the size of the fund you’re taking money from. That means you get to choose the incentives of the game you’re playing.</b> This matters a lot, because those incentives are going to drive the behavior of your investors both before and after you take their funding.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Here’s an interesting example of those incentives playing out. In the past few months that market valuations have dropped, some investors have recognized that it’s harder than ever to have high multiple funds with really big fund sizes. As a result, some investors are actually choosing to decrease the size of their funds in order to reset the expectations for the fund’s performance.</i></p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/ankurnagpal/status/1638551553366794242?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=how-venture-capital-shapes-the-space-industry"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Liquidation Preferences in Venture Investing</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">One more topic of note that is fairly ubiquitous in the venture community, but not always appreciated amongst founders is liquidation preferences. Liquidation preferences are terms that are denoted in venture investment term sheets. A venture capital term sheet is an offer made by a venture investor that details the terms of a funding agreement. There are a number of terms that are often included in venture investments, including board seats, anti-dilution provisions, pro-rata rights, and others. You could write an entire book on the terms of venture investments (in fact people have, and there’s a great one I recommend called<a class="link" href="https://www.venturedeals.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=how-venture-capital-shapes-the-space-industry" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"> Venture Deals</a>). However, there’s one term I’d like to address because it tends to be the most standard and it has clear implications on incentives. What I’m referring to are liquidation preferences.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It turns out that not all company shares are created equal. The founders and employees of a tech company will typically have what’s called common stock in the company. These are what you would think of as plain company equity ownership. What investors tend to get though is a special class of shares, called preferred stock. Now preferred stock always has the option to convert into common stock if the owner chooses. But if it remains as preferred stock, it has liquidation preferences over common stock owners. <b>That means preferred stock owners have the right to be paid out first in the case of a liquidation event.</b></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Consider a situation where a company raised $200M from investors in exchange for 50% ownership of the company in the form of preferred stock, valuing the company at $400M. A few years later, let’s say markets get worse, valuations come down, and the company ends up getting acquired at a $200M. You might think the company founders and employees would be pretty happy, they still get to split 50% of those $200M. However, because of the preferences of the investor stock, the first $200M goes back to the investors and nothing remains for the common stock-holding founders and employees.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now, reconsider that case and say that the company instead does amazingly well and gets acquired for $10B. Now of course it doesn’t make sense for the investors to just take their $200M and leave the remaining $9.8B for the common stockholders. Instead, the preferred shareholders will exercise their option to convert to common shares, and take their 50% of the $10B.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">To even further emphasize the impact of preferred stock, it’s important to note that preferred shareholders might have the right to be paid out even more than the money they invested. It’s not completely uncommon for investors to have 2x preferences (and in very rare occasions even more), where they have a right to be paid out from a liquidation event up to 2x the amount of money they originally invested. When markets were high on easy money from near 0% interest rates, companies didn’t really need to worry about such unfriendly terms. Now that markets have slowed substantially, expect to see more investor-friendly terms like increased liquidation preference to make it into term sheets, especially for companies that are in desperate need of capital.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This is why, when you raise venture capital you are essentially signing a contract that your company is going to be worth significantly more in the future when you exit. <b>You’re taking money that gives you the opportunity to build a really huge company, but in turn you’re signing away the upside (for you and your employees) if you only build a pretty good company.</b></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Here’s a tweet that details the consequences of that even further.</p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonlk/status/1630260537912360961?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=how-venture-capital-shapes-the-space-industry"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>What This All Means With Dropping Valuations</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">From mid-2020 to early 2022, the tech world got a little drunk on venture capital financing and the space industry was no exception. In 2021, a company that raised money at a $100M valuation may only now be valued closer to $20M. That means the company has to increase 5x in value just to get back to where it was at the previous funding round. Then, you have to do way better than that to make your investors from that funding round happy. The challenge is that you had set expectations for your company’s performance during a time when there was a lot more optimism in the world.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The reality is that these problems can be resolved, although the solutions are typically painful. Companies raising funding today are accepting much lower valuations than they did 12 to 18 months ago. That means more dilution than might have been previously anticipated and/or cutting costs enough to delay the fundraising long enough to extend runway and improve the company’s valuation.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The implications are further reaching than this, but rather than go into more detail myself, I’ll point you to others who I think do a great job writing regularly about this.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For example, Jason Yeh is an investor who writes a great newsletter helping entrepreneurs improve their fundraising which I highly recommend. 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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Last week I shared part one of an interview with Mike Cassidy, the founding CEO of Apollo Fusion. Today&#39;s newsletter is part two of that interview. Apollo was acquired by Astra Space in 2021 for $145M, making it one of the few major space acquisitions of the last decade. If you haven’t read that article yet, I recommend starting <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/mike-cassidy-part-1?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=lessons-from-a-145m-space-startup" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">there</a>.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/eccbbb14-f7df-4f91-80b6-b9d9a537656a/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Image of the Apollo Fusion team in 2021. Source: <a class="link" href="http://Siemens.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=lessons-from-a-145m-space-startup" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Siemens.com</a></p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That newsletter covered some incredible topics, including technical decisions around propellant choice, building for scale, their acquisition by Astra, and more.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now for part two…</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In my mind, the ASE thruster demonstrates the power of serving constellation customers, where a single spacecraft customer is able to purchase hundreds of component systems. That seemingly allows you to achieve scale much more rapidly. Were satellite constellations something you anticipated when you founded Apollo Fusion in 2016?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Absolutely. Frankly, we wanted to win the SpaceX Starlink constellation. We wanted to win the OneWeb constellation. We wanted to win the TeleSat constellation. The increase in constellations was one of our big motivators for getting into this business. We never won the SpaceX constellation, but chasing that opportunity was enough to spur us on to jump into the business.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Having gone through the process of building and exiting a space startup, is there any advice you&#39;d give to a space founder at this time?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Everyone wants to be your second customer, so it’s helpful to be thinking about that ahead of time. For example, how we struggled with getting flight heritage and working creatively with Spaceflight to make that happen. I would encourage founders to just move heaven and Earth to get on-orbit flight heritage, whatever it takes. Do a free mission, camp outside people&#39;s buildings begging for it, do whatever it takes. Because once we flew successfully, the doors opened wide for us.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Another piece of advice is something that everyone&#39;s heard and everyone sort of knows, but I just want to triply underline for founders; you absolutely want to get the most amazing people you can on the team. It made all the difference at Apollo. I mean, we had only 16 people on the team when we sold it for almost $150M. You&#39;re not gonna do that unless you have A plus, plus, plus, plus people. It&#39;s true, you want to get people who are really that good. Many times in the startups I’ve previously founded, the people are kind of overqualified for what they&#39;re doing. Some days I’m taking out the trash or moving the dumpster and not everyone wants to do that work. But when you have super talented people, it just gives you so much flexibility to accelerate. Like when we had to do the Spaceflight mission, we only had about five months to design, build, and test that system and get it shipped. We had a team that could do that. You want to get the most amazing people. I think we had like 20 plus university degrees, including five PhDs, among our first eight team members.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/8ea398db-7fe2-4099-80b5-65969d5d969b/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Rendering of Spaceflight Sherpa vehicle with Apollo Fusion thruster. Source: Spaceflight Inc</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/subscribe?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=lessons-from-a-145m-space-startup"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:Helvetica;">Is there anything you would change about how venture capital is done when applied to the space industry?</span></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The relationship between venture and the space industry is still being figured out. I think there are some good investors out there. Reid Hoffman had invested in us at Apollo. He&#39;s an amazing investor. Super supportive, there to help whenever we needed it. One of the Apollo execs, Maureen Haverty is now a venture capitalist with Seraphim. So I think she definitely understands the process of building a space startup.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think there is a changing environment in terms of raising funds for space startups now. If it was hot a year and a half ago it is now maybe cooler. But I think good companies still can get funded. The keys are to have a great team, move quickly, and focus on an area where there&#39;s a real need. There’s a saying that you want to sell aspirin, not vitamins. Look for people who have a pain point and look for ways to help. In those areas, there are still opportunities for startups.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Because you had brought it up earlier, I’d like to ask you about the topic of pivoting a startup, something that happens frequently but doesn’t get discussed a ton. How do you communicate that and how do you lead a team through that? especially a team with an incredible amount of talent that you want to keep onboard.</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, it&#39;s miserable. And it&#39;s been miserable for me four times.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think for one, you need to pick the right people in the first place so that when you have to pivot, it&#39;s not as traumatic. You want people who are resilient, who are team players, who are basically relentless optimists. So it&#39;s just tough. But you want those people. So when you come into the room and say, “We gotta pivot,” They&#39;re not like, “What the hell?” So start with the right people in the first place.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The second thing is that you have to make it a collaborative process as you shift. Now, that doesn’t mean that it’s a democracy. I communicate clearly that it’s not a democracy and there is a chain of command. But when we have meetings and discuss things, people need to feel free to speak their minds and say “Mike, you&#39;re an idiot. Here are four reasons why this is a totally stupid thing.” But at the end of the meeting, we&#39;re gonna make a decision. And then once we make a decision, everyone gets behind the decision and we don&#39;t revisit decisions.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That’s important. You don&#39;t go into the corner and talk about it with one person and keep it a secret. You get everyone in the room and say, “We’ve got a problem, we&#39;re gonna pivot.” And you have the discussion in front of a whiteboard and put everyone’s ideas up there.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It’s important also that you&#39;re decisive and quick when you pivot. All four times I’ve pivoted startups, we pivoted within two weeks of recognizing that we had to. I think a lot of people get in trouble when they say, “Things aren&#39;t working. We&#39;re gonna take 15% of the company, and they&#39;re gonna spend 50% of their time exploring new ideas.” No. Once you realize something&#39;s wrong, within two weeks, everyone should be working on a new thing, and you gotta throw a lot of stuff overboard. But that&#39;s what you gotta do to be successful.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There&#39;s tension in entrepreneurship when you have to pivot. On the one hand, entrepreneurs are supposed to be tenacious and never give up. As a result, they pursue bad ideas far longer than they should. On the other hand, entrepreneurs should be flexible and pivot and quick and fast.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">And so how do you mix these two? Well, they don&#39;t mix. The way I kind of try to thread the needle is that once you make a decision, we agree that we’re not going to revisit it for maybe five months or so. As a result, for the next five months, I don&#39;t want to hear someone come into my office a week later to try to rehash that decision. No, once we make a decision, we pick a day and don’t talk about it again until that day comes. So for that five months, you&#39;re tenacious as hell. You&#39;re all in, you&#39;re not looking back, and you&#39;re not revisiting decisions. And then when you get to that date, you&#39;re like, “Let&#39;s look at all the data.” And if at that point you&#39;re like, “Ugh, this product sucks,” then you gotta pivot fast again. It’s important to remain decisive there.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Changing directions a bit, before you founded Apollo Fusion you used to be Vice President at Google and Project Leader for Project Loon, one of the moonshot projects within Google X. High-altitude balloon projects are increasing areas of activity in the aerospace community, either for atmospheric tourism or Earth Observation. What are your thoughts on the opportunities and challenges of those technologies?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There are some real advantages to balloons. Theoretically, it requires zero energy to go from the ground to 60,000 feet because you&#39;re using buoyancy and there’s no propulsion system needed for raising the balloon. In addition, conceptually it requires zero energy to keep the balloon at 60,000 feet because again, its buoyancy holding it up there. That&#39;s a big advantage over a powered drone or something like that.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There are other advantages to balloons from an earth observation perspective. The resolution of imagery, or how clear your pictures are, increases linearly with the distance. So it&#39;s a huge advantage to be, say, 20 kilometers up versus 400 kilometers up. That&#39;s a 20X advantage in terms of image resolution.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, it improves with the <i><b>square</b></i> of distance for link budgets, meaning the power and losses for a communication signal. So if you have a balloon at 20 kilometers, you&#39;re gonna get 400 times better link budget than a satellite at 400 kilometers. At the same time though, many people thought that in terms of connecting to a phone handset, balloons could do that but satellites never would be able to because of the link budget being so much worse on a satellite. That&#39;s not so true anymore though. You have a number of companies working on that problem, for example Lynk, AST Mobile, and Apple with SOS systems. You’re at the very edge of being able to do that if you’re around 400 kilometers up, but I think people are starting to do it with satellites now. At the time I was working on Loon though, that was a big advantage for balloons.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">However, the big challenge for balloons is in getting overflight permission. Balloons need overflight permission. Every country whose airspace you fly into, by definition you need their permission. Whereas with satellites, all the UN nations basically agreed that with satellites you can fly wherever you want. That’s maybe the biggest difference between balloons and satellites.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/subscribe?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=lessons-from-a-145m-space-startup"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Any thoughts on all the geopolitical activity related to balloons earlier this year?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Well, to start, I think the Chinese balloon was definitely a spy balloon. I suspect they got away with it a few times previously, so they didn&#39;t really imagine how much of a ruckus it would cause. I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if it actually did get blown off course, but unless they lost command and control ability over their balloon, they could have brought it down in the ocean off of Alaska or some very remote place in Canada. So that was a provocative move.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Balloons can be pretty inexpensive though. The US government is potentially spending $500,000 on missiles to take down $25,000 balloons. So it&#39;s a little crazy. But we&#39;ll have to see what happens.</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That wraps up part two. 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  <title>Founding and Selling A Space Company for $145M</title>
  <description>Interview With Mike Cassidy, Founding CEO of Apollo Fusion</description>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This week’s SpaceDotBiz highlights a key figure in one of the major space acquisition events of the last decade. I interviewed Mike Cassidy, the founding CEO of Apollo Fusion. Apollo builds electric in-space propulsion systems, specifically Hall Effect Thrusters. In 2021, Apollo was acquired by Astra Space for $145M. These exit events are critical to the space ecosystem, they provide liquidity to early investors and keep the funding cycle going for the industry.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/501e2041-1afd-453f-b728-bb7ed57385b2/Cassidy.jpeg"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Mike Cassidy. Source: Bloomberg</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Mike has had a storied and extremely interesting career as an entrepreneur, including as a multi-time founder with multiple exit events under his belt. In addition, he’s been an entrepreneur-in-residence at Benchmark Capital and a Vice President of GoogleX, Google’s Moonshot Factory. Mike also gives back a ton to the aerospace community and is a mentor to hundreds of startup founders.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Mike and I discussed so much and the interview was so thorough that I’ve had to split it into two parts. This week’s newsletter contains part one below. Subscribe to SpaceDotBiz to make sure you get part two in your inbox next week!</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=founding-and-selling-a-space-company-for-145m"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now lets dive in!</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Apollo Fusion has an interesting founding story that wasn’t originally focused on spacecraft propulsion. How did the company get started?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Well, it&#39;s funny, we were actually called Apollo Fusion because we were trying to solve nuclear fusion. The short story is, it didn&#39;t work. We didn&#39;t get to nuclear fusion breakeven, or else you would&#39;ve seen us win a Nobel Prize and we would&#39;ve solved global warming. So we had to pivot. In fact, four out of five of the startups I’ve built have had to pivot. We were lucky in that we had somewhat randomly picked the word Apollo when we were forming the name Apollo Fusion, just because we thought Apollo was a cool name. So when we pivoted to making ion thrusters, it was serendipitous because we didn’t have to change the name. As a result, we left our name as Apollo Fusion.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What drew you ultimately to the market of selling Hall Thrusters to satellite developers?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Firstly, I was originally an aerospace engineer. So I was familiar with, at a high level, spacecraft propulsion systems. Second, our approach to building fusion was actually a very similar plasma physics approach to developing hall thrusters. So the equipment was very similar, and the team was very similar. We had a couple of PhDs in nuclear engineering, and instead of being like, “All right, we&#39;re not building nuclear fusion anymore, we’re all fired,” we instead decided “We&#39;re building something that requires highly technical plasma physics expertise.” That made the transition and pivot smoother.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The third piece was that the space industry was booming. With SpaceX, OneWeb, and Telesat, and all the other constellations, the projected numbers of satellites are obviously huge. Since Sputnik, something like 6,000 satellites have been launched. In the next three to five years, something like 20,000 satellites are potentially going to be launched. So three times as many satellites will go up over the coming few years as have been launched in the past 60 years. All of that led us to pivot towards the hall thruster product.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/d7208051-6bdf-46f9-b3fe-ac276fe96355/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Apollo’s electric ion thruster with xenon propellant. Source: Astra/Apollo Fusion</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">I know it wasn’t an easy process in the early days of getting Apollo Fusion off the ground. Can you share a little about the challenges you faced and the creative ways you were able to mature the technology?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We definitely had some challenges. For example, we tried a number of different propellants at first. One of the ones we looked closely at was Mercury. Mercury is potentially scary from an environmental hazard perspective. Although, we were arguing that the exhaust velocity of a Hall thruster is something like 10,000 meters per second. The escape velocity in orbit is something like 7,500 meters per second. So in some ways, we&#39;re ridding the planet of Mercury, but anyway that didn&#39;t fly. We never got FCC approval to do a demo with that propellant. We built an entire satellite for that demo and we never got approval to launch it. So we wasted a lot of time and money there.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Another big challenge we had was that we had a lot of customer interest, but no one wanted to be our first customer until we had flight heritage. But then it’s hard to get flight heritage if no one wants to be your first customer. It created this chicken or egg problem. Eventually, we did a great deal with Spaceflight Inc. They had a space tug called Sherpa that takes you from where your rocket drops you off, out to whatever altitude and inclination you want to reach. They were very interested in having an electric propulsion system and they were interested in us as well, but they also had the same flight heritage challenge that we had. So we found a way to work with Spaceflight where we said, “Okay we&#39;re not gonna charge you for this thruster, and you don&#39;t charge us for doing a demo flight, and we will share the results.”</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">They found a way to put us on one of their Sherpa missions where the Sherpa was deploying satellites for other customers. After the Sherpa deployed its three customer satellite payloads, it then fired our thruster. As a result, we were able to test our thruster without any risk to their customers. If our propulsion system had failed, they would have already deployed their customer satellites and had a successful mission. Fortunately, it all worked great. We tried to fire our propulsion system 700 times and it fired successfully all 700 times. That unlocked a whole bunch of business for us.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Other struggles we faced were with messed up supply chains due to the pandemic. The pandemic also had an impact on access to radiation testing facilities. As a result, we came up with some very creative ways of doing radiation testing and very creative ways of reducing the requirements for rad-hard parts.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=founding-and-selling-a-space-company-for-145m"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">That discussion around the propellant choice, it brings to mind the recent discussion around SpaceX moving to an argon thruster. Do you have any thoughts on that propellant choice and using that?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">SpaceX is very, very smart, so I think they know what they&#39;re doing. From my basic understanding, it requires a lot more power to use the argon thruster. So Apollo Fusion was targeting, say, 250-kilogram type satellites that might have, well, 400, 600, 800 watts of power or something like that. Initially, SpaceX was in that power and mass range. However, SpaceX really stepped up the mass on their next-generation Starlink. I don&#39;t recall exactly, but I think it&#39;s around four or five times the mass of their first-generation satellites. I also think they have way more power now, around several thousand watts of power. When you have that amount of power, I think argon can make sense. The specs I saw looked pretty appealing in terms of the Isp and thrust levels. It just takes a lot of power. Ultimately, I&#39;m sure they know what they&#39;re doing.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">It’s a challenge in the space world to build products that can meet the needs of both commercial and DoD customers and that’s something that Apollo Fusion has been able to accomplish. Was there a particular strategy to building an organization that could work with both of those types of customers? Were you concerned about getting too focused on one at the expense of the other?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We were not worried about focusing on one or the other. The key for our strategy from the beginning was being focused on building thrusters at large scale. So we didn&#39;t want to be a propulsion company that made three thrusters per year. We wanted to make products for satellite constellations consisting of 100 or 300 satellites each. That drove our manufacturing strategy.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">From the beginning, we knew that we weren’t going to build a facility that could make 300 thrusters a year. We knew we would work with a manufacturing partner that could build 300 thrusters a year. So we found a great one that had already built aerospace hardware at that kind of volume. A lot of our customers loved the fact that we were a fast-moving scrappy R&D type startup, but that our flight hardware was made by an ISO-9001 and AS9100 certified manufacturer.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That also drove our strategy for taking the time during the design process to have design revs that were focused on design-for-manufacturing. I think the rev that we eventually flew successfully was version 1.8, but I think version 1.6 was a designed-for-manufacturing rev. Nothing critical changed. The performance didn&#39;t change, none of the specs changed. But we talked to our suppliers and to our machine shops and asked “How can we make this easier for you to make?” They would tell us “Well if you change the interior diameter to be this, then this tool can get in.” We did similar things for assembly as well. That doesn&#39;t make any sense if you&#39;re only planning to build three thrusters a year, but if you&#39;re going to build 300, then it’s important.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That made it easier to win both commercial deals and government customer deals because both customers were targeting large constellations. Not only commercial, as I mentioned before, but also the government. For example, the SDA, Space Development Agency, is building a ton of satellites. That ability to produce at large scales was a good fit for our strategy.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In the summer of 2021, Apollo Fusion was acquired by Astra Space. There haven’t been a ton of M&A deals in the “New Space” world. In a previous interview, I asked Dan Berkenstock, who had founded Skybox, about being acquired by Google and he shared about how that acquisition came to be. Without going into anything you can’t discuss, how did that acquisition come to be and what is that process like?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Astra has a small launch vehicle that&#39;s bringing a payload to a low Earth orbit. It’s kind of a natural extension to say, “If we had a very high-performance ion thruster, then we could take someone&#39;s payload from LEO to a higher orbit.” For the awareness of your readers, the thrust on our system is tiny, around 25 milliNewtons, which is about the weight of a paperclip. So you can&#39;t do anything with that unless you&#39;re in space. Once you&#39;re in space, it&#39;s fine because there&#39;s nothing resisting it. You can accelerate at 0.001 meters per second squared for a hundred thousand seconds and actually have some reasonable velocity. So it&#39;s a good fit to combine a small launch vehicle with a highly efficient ion thruster.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, there are of course other factors that come into play. From our perspective, it was kind of a local optimum in timing in terms of valuation. The market was white hot at the time. There was a lot of venture investment going into space, and SPACs were frequent. In early 2021, the SPACs were obviously bringing significant capital to these newly public companies that now had cash for acquisitions. In addition, we had a very good pipeline with a lot of customers lined up, provided we could have a successful demonstration flight. In addition, Astra was able to move faster than other potential acquirers and close the deal.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The way the timing worked out was also fun in that I actually got to be there when Astra rang the NASDAQ bell after going public on July 1st. We officially closed the Apollo acquisition 15 minutes later because Astra needed to close the deal to have the cash to buy us, and we wanted to have a publicly traded acquirer.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/55d6ea43-bc93-4b64-873e-f654134b940a/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Astra team rings the Nasdaq bell as the company is first listed on the stock exchange. Mike Cassidy is sixth from the right. Source: Nasdaq</p></span></div></div><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That’s it for part one of this two-part interview with Mike Cassidy. In part two, we discuss some really juicy topics, including how he tactically pivoted his startup, his time as Project Leader for Project Loon within Google X, advice he’d give to startup founders, and more. 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  <title>Point-To-Point Rocket Transportation</title>
  <description>A Massive Market, Just Over The Horizon</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2023 17:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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    <dc:creator>Ian Vorbach</dc:creator>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There&#39;s a high-impact, space-enabled technology that is quietly being matured in the background of the space industry. The capability is still in the realm of science fiction, but if successful it would likely touch the lives of nearly everyone on Earth. I&#39;m talking about point-to-point rocket travel.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/b8351f5d-83d6-4b59-84bf-0e44d9fb6e3e/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Source: Air Force Research Labs</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I know, it sounds crazy. The idea of sending a package halfway around the world by loading it into a rocket&#39;s cargo hull seems technically farfetched and exorbitantly expensive. More terrifying is the idea of watching a loved-one climb into the passenger seat of one of those vehicles. However, trends and signals over the past couple of years suggest to me that we should be taking the subject just a little more seriously. I would argue that as the industry works towards full rocket reusability, it is simultaneously building the underlying technology for point-to-point delivery. Furthermore, real dollars are starting to be spent on the technology, both from those innovating the capability and those looking to purchase it.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This newsletter will discuss where we stand currently in the domain of point-to-point rocket travel, who&#39;s spending money to mature the technology, and why it would be so impactful if it comes to fruition.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How We Got Here</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Point-to-point rocket travel most recently entered public awareness in 2017, when Elon Musk and SpaceX released a video of their next-generation rocket (which at the time had just been renamed from BFR to Starship) taking passengers from New York to Shanghai in 39 minutes.</p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="true" class="youtube_embed" frameborder="0" height="100%" src="https://youtube.com/embed/zqE-ultsWt0" width="100%"></iframe><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Nearly six years after that video was published, and only one week ago, we witnessed the first Starship orbital launch attempt. A key to Starship is full reusability of both the first and second stages. Full reusability for orbital launches also happens to be the enabling technology of point-to-point rocket travel. The technology to precisely land a high-speed second stage after deploying payload into orbit could instead be repurposed to hold onto that cargo (rather than dropping it in orbit) and deliver it to wherever the second stage touches down on Earth&#39;s surface. As a result, an orbital Starship with second-stage recovery would inherently de-risk much of the most challenging technology needed to make point-to-point rocket launch a reality.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/2e568c2e-bcde-4c70-be85-052011a6d6cb/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Starship orbital launch attempt on April 20th. Source: SpaceX</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Furthermore, SpaceX isn&#39;t the only organization building towards reusability. Rocket Lab&#39;s next-generation Neutron vehicle is also planned to have first-stage reusable and it has been over a year since the company broke ground on the <a class="link" href="https://www.rocketlabusa.com/updates/rocket-lab-breaks-ground-on-neutron-production-complex-in-wallops-virginia/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Neutron production facility</a> in Virginia. Additionally, Relativity is regularly conducting engine testing for its Terran R vehicle which is built for first-stage reusability and ultimately second-stage reuse down the road.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/53aad242-0c56-4fad-aae0-808b2181557c/Screenshot_2023-04-03_at_11.42.46_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><a class="image__source_link" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91fO97WAPo&ab_channel=RelativitySpace&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Relativity&#39;s Aeon R Engine Test Campaign</p></span></a></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Furthermore, another organization already working towards first and second-stage reuse is Stoke Space, which has its own innovative methods for developing second-stage rapid reusability by actively cooling the heat shield upon reentry.</p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="true" class="youtube_embed" frameborder="0" height="100%" src="https://youtube.com/embed/812xKz9pcnU" width="100%"></iframe><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">With so many &quot;shots on goal&quot; for developing fully reusable rockets, it seems plausible that we could have the capability within the next five or so years. This means we could have point-to-point rocket cargo technology not too far after.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Follow The Money</h2><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Another powerful signal regarding point-to-point rocket travel is the amount of effort and money the Department of Air Force is investing toward becoming a customer.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Through the Air Force Research Labs (AFRL), the Department of Air Force runs a number of what they call Vanguard programs. These programs are aimed to deliver long-term, &quot;remarkable new capabilities that provide warfighters with superior advantages in the battlefield&quot;. As of early 2021, there were three such Vanguard programs, related to autonomy for unmanned aerial vehicles (called Skyborg), next-generation GPS technology (called NTS-3), and an integrated autonomous weapon system (called Golden Horde). In 2021, the Air Force added a fourth Vanguard program, called Rocket Cargo. The program enables a path for the Air Force and Space Force to work with industry on becoming a customer of this technology. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:#222222;">In speaking about the Rocket Cargo program, the Space Force&#39;s highest leadership has been vocal about its interest. In 2021, the Chief of Space Operations Gen. John &quot;Jay&quot; Raymond said, “Rocket Cargo will fundamentally alter the rapid logistics landscape, connecting materiel to joint warfighters in a fraction of the time it takes today. In the event of conflict or humanitarian crisis, the Space Force will be able to provide our national leadership with an independent option to achieve strategic objectives from space.” </span>Rocket Cargo was also a repeated focus topic at Space Systems Command&#39;s Space Mobility Conference in February 2023. At the event, the program executive officer for Space System Command&#39;s Assured Access to Space directorate, General Purdy, stated about Rocket Cargo, &quot;We absolutely would buy this as a service.&quot;</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/286408e7-6979-4ec3-b484-5edaee3a6ded/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><a class="image__source_link" href="https://spacenews.com/military-to-tap-commercial-industry-for-space-mobility-services/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><span class="image__source_text"><p>General Purdy speaking at the Space Mobility Conference. Source: Space News</p></span></a></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">To back it up, AFRL started funding the Rocket Cargo program in FY2021 with $9.1M. In 2022, that funding stepped up significantly and the Rocket Cargo program awarded SpaceX a $102M, five-year contract to mature the capability to rapidly transport military cargo and humanitarian aid around the world onboard a rocket. AFRL has also signed cooperative research and development agreements (CRADA&#39;s) with Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, Sierra Space, and Exploration Architecture Corporation (XArc) to exchange data information regarding point-to-point travel capabilities.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">On the Rocket Cargo program, AFRL is closely partnered with US Transportation Command (USTRANSCOM), Space Force Futures & Integration, Air Force Futures, formerly the Air Force Warfighting Integration Capability (AFWIC), and Space and Missile Systems Center (SMC). In discussing how the technology will be matured, the program lead for the Vanguard Rocket Cargo Program, Gerg Spanjers, said “AFRL will be leveraging several commercial demonstration launches over the next few years to collect the data.” He added that The Air Force “does not drive this schedule but rather will collect data whenever SpaceX flies relevant missions.”</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Why It&#39;s So Valuable</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">One of the tougher realities of the space industry is that it is still a nascent commercial ecosystem. That is to say, there aren&#39;t many super-massive markets where you can build ten-billion-dollar, or even hundred-billion-dollar companies. The industry is growing and we&#39;ll get there, but the at the moment, the only real way to do that is in communications, moving bits around the Earth to satisfy the unrelenting demand for data.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What is so exciting to me about point-to-point rocket travel is that it offers space companies the opportunity to tap into another such market. The market for global freight is enormous. In fact, enormous doesn&#39;t really do it justice. The global cargo shipping market size is around<a class="link" href="https://www.alliedmarketresearch.com/cargo-shipping-market-A47214?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation#:~:text=The%20global%20cargo%20shipping%20market,7%25%20from%202022%20to%202031." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"> $2.2T, estimated to reach $4.2T by 2031</a>. When defining the market size of point-to-point rocket cargo though, perhaps it makes sense to focus on only the most time-sensitive of global freight. In that case, even the market for air freight is <a class="link" href="https://www.alliedmarketresearch.com/air-freight-market-A06421?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=point-to-point-rocket-transportation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">$287B, expected to grow to $413B by 2028</a>. Any way you slice it, there&#39;s a lot of money in getting things quickly from A to B all around the globe, far more money than governments and corporations currently spend on launching things into orbit. Those are the kind of big, juicy markets that space companies can target in order to attract more investment and grow more aggressively.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In Conclusion</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">While the market for point-to-point rocket travel could be enormous, the bottom line is that it only matters if the technology is feasible at a price point that doesn&#39;t break the bank. Whether or not that&#39;s the case will depend largely on the success of launch companies aiming to develop fully reusable rockets in the next few years. The likelihood of that reality is still unknown. However, one thing we can say today, which we couldn&#39;t five or ten years ago, is that multiple teams of very smart people are giving it their best shot.</p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=8aad78cd-b8e6-4802-8eca-e2dd160861fb&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For SpaceDotBiz this week, I interviewed the CEO and co-founder of Varda Space Industries, Will Bruey. Since its founding three years ago, Varda has raised $53M in capital from private investors including Khosla Ventures and Founders Fund. Just today Varda announced a <a class="link" href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-15/satellite-startup-varda-eyes-drug-development-process?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTY3ODg4NTk1OCwiZXhwIjoxNjc5NDkwNzU4LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJSUktDNTBUMEcxS1gwMSIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI5MTM4NzMzNDcyQkY0QjlGQTg0OTI3QTVBRjY1QzBCRiJ9.njjYfkRlw8IYeOJRVTiTS90a6X3Qf3c23tSSuzi7yUs&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-the-ceo-of-varda-space-will-bruey" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">$60M contract with the US Air Force and NASA</a>. Will&#39;s career has straddled the worlds of aerospace engineering and corporate finance, having spent about six years in hardware development and spacecraft operations at SpaceX, as well as three years in global equities technology at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.</p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/7d335842-c292-4aeb-b392-802358052729/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Will Bruey (right) with Varda co-founder Delian Asparouhov (left). Source: varda.com</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In late 2020 Will co-founded Varda, alongside Delian Asparouhov and Daniel Marshall, a company whose mission is &quot;building in space for life on earth&quot;. Varda is developing an in-space manufacturing platform to offer customers the opportunity to produce products on orbit, without the effects of gravity. Varda is aiming to launch its first demonstration spacecraft in June of 2023 aboard a SpaceX rideshare Transporter 8 mission.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now let&#39;s dive into the conversation!</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This newsletter is brought to you by...</p><div class="image"><a class="image__link" href="https://thespaceportcompany.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-the-ceo-of-varda-space-will-bruey" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/13eeb97e-9aad-4c01-9c2f-ef74ed394a61/Screen_Shot_2022-11-01_at_11.49.41_AM.png"/></a></div><hr class="content_break"><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>As you consider different products to offer through in-space manufacturing, how do you decide on where to begin? There&#39;s a lot of excitement and discussion about what can be enabled through in-space manufacturing, so h</b><b>ow do you determine which materials or products you&#39;d like to first produce in zero gravity?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Essentially we begin by looking at what research has been done on the International Space Station. Our company&#39;s thesis is hell-bent on engineering and less so on science, or I should say on reducing scientific risk. We&#39;re more about reducing the execution and the engineering risk. So there&#39;s been a ton of experiments on the International Space Station. Everything from fiber optics to pharmaceuticals to semiconductors. We look at those and see which ones make the best fit or which ones would lead to significant revenue for our first products. A lot goes into those considerations including size of the market, customer education, cost, etc. It&#39;s an analysis of if we can engineer it in space and is the value of that product in the realm of economically feasible for producing in space. What is economically feasible also changes as launch costs change, but that&#39;s essentially the thinking.</i></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-the-ceo-of-varda-space-will-bruey"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>On your website, Varda describes its initial spacecraft as having three critical components, the satellite bus, the payload factory module, and the re-entry capsule. Do you down the road see yourselves offering the actual spacecraft itself as a product, either as a whole or in individual components?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Yes absolutely. Not too much more to elaborate there other than &quot;definitely yes.&quot; I think one thing that is of particular note about our spacecraft as a reentry vehicle is that it is complementary to the down mass solutions that exist today. So if you think of other reentering spacecraft like the X-37, Soyuz, and Dragon, they are all multi-fault tolerant vehicles. Two of them are human-rated large spacecraft. Not everything that comes from space back to earth requires that level of sophistication, size, cost, or redundancy.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>We&#39;re plugging a hole in the market on the demand for down mass that doesn&#39;t require that level of complexity or cost. We purposely complement those services and are differentiated. Instead of large, we&#39;re small. Instead of being expensive, we&#39;re cheap. Instead of being highly multi-fault tolerant, we try to be smart about where we need redundancy and keep things simple. So beyond our in-space manufactured products, I think our spacecraft will be a nice addition to the commercial market for down mass.</i></p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/0f107f48-d2a7-419a-b548-e60b9c3abba9/Screen_Shot_2022-10-31_at_9.22.49_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Rendering of Varda payload factory module and reentry capsule attached to satellite bus. Source: varda.com</p></span></div></div><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>One thing I&#39;m excited to ask about is that for your first mission, you&#39;re using a Rocket Lab photon for your spacecraft bus and it&#39;s launched on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rideshare mission. I think that&#39;s interesting because you&#39;re bringing together two organizations that otherwise wouldn&#39;t typically collaborate. What were the challenges or opportunities of bringing together teams from two of the world&#39;s most successful space companies to work on a single mission?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>It is really exciting and neat to have brought together two large commercial players in the industry. The challenges aren&#39;t that bad. Most of it came down to writing the statements of work and figuring out which parts of the process were owned by Varda, Rocket Lab, or SpaceX. Essentially, where the liability is for every part of the process.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>At the end of the day, Falcon 9 is the best launch provider for our company and the Photon bus is the best bus platform for our use case. So it&#39;s neat for one mission to highlight so many of the key factors that enable Varda to succeed. Five years ago Photon didn&#39;t really exist and rideshares were rare. Both of those innovations create the opportunity for Varda to build on top of them. It&#39;s cool to be able to see launch slowly becoming commoditized and spacecraft slowly becoming commoditized. It gives us a fighting shot at creating something new at top of that.</i></p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>As commercial space stations are introduced in the future and there&#39;s more real estate available in space, how do you think about potentially leveraging existing real estate access versus having to do the whole thing end-to-end yourself?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>For the International Space Station, in order to berth or dock with it you have to go through what they call the keep-out sphere. In order to cross that boundary, you essentially need to be highly fault-tolerant to avoid accidentally crashing into the space station. As a result, propulsion systems become safety-critical because all of a sudden one thing goes wrong and a thruster propels your spacecraft into a collision trajectory with the space station.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>For commercial space stations, it&#39;s still TBD what those requirements will look like because some space stations will be automated while others will have humans on board. The regulations or requirements for engaging with that commercial space station will drive a lot of the operations surrounding docking with it. So, before those get defined it&#39;s a little bit TBD about how much involvement or I should say like how quickly or interested Varda would be in those kinds of partnerships.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>With regards to the reentry capsule Varda is developing, we&#39;re super excited about being part of the development of commercial space stations. However, the opportunities that we have in the near term are driving the majority of our engineering decisions compared to those longer-term opportunities. We aren&#39;t taking commercial space stations in the near term into our calculus for our technical roadmap because they&#39;re a little bit far out at the moment. But that being said as it gets closer, I mean we&#39;re a company full of space enthusiasts with a reentry capsule. I can&#39;t imagine us not getting involved in some way. Even if it&#39;s for something as simple as trash disposal, we&#39;ll be happy to build garbage trucks for the space economy.</i></p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4065cf10-d36f-4091-95d5-ca33ac744f57/Screen_Shot_2022-10-31_at_9.24.07_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Rendering of Varda payload factory module and reentry capsule returning through Earth&#39;s atmosphere. Source: varda.com</p></span></div></div><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>While some space companies have already had to address scaling pains around increasing launch operations, Varda may be the first to be looking to push the boundaries of scaling high rates of commercial reentry operations. Are there any challenges you see ahead of you as you find infrastructure or spaceport capacity that can meet your needs for re-entry operations and frequencies?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>That&#39;s a long-term challenge in the industry. Right now for the first four missions, we&#39;re landing in the Utah test and training range, which is a military base in Utah. That site is great because it&#39;s got enough space for our dispersions, so it gives us a really wide area where the spacecraft can come down. As we continue to improve our dispersions, create more accurate reentry, and increase our cadence, we will no longer need that huge swath of land inside a government base. Nor will that base be interested in being our routine landing spot. So in the coming years, I think the industry is going to need more private providers offering reentry locations at scale. That&#39;s something that would not only benefit us but the industry more broadly.</i></p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>I find it exciting how emphatic you&#39;ve been in saying explicitly that Varda’s customers don&#39;t care where your products are coming from or that they&#39;re manufactured in space, they just want a higher quality product and that&#39;s what you&#39;re focusing on offering. So to that end, what efforts are you doing to make sure that your products integrate seamlessly into the existing customer supply chains?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Oh, it&#39;s by far the most fun and exciting challenge on the business side of Varda. At the end of the day, the value prop that we are offering our customers is not space access. It&#39;s the unique influence on chemical systems that microgravity provides. </i><i>Quite frankly, our customers would be much happier if we just designed an anti-gravity box in the back of the lab.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>For chemists and designers of chemical systems, there are a lot of knobs you can turn on the ground to influence the outcome of your chemistry. Everything from temperature to the actual ingredients, or how fast you stir the thing. So the analogy I use with folks who aren&#39;t technical is, I say it&#39;s kind of like a kitchen. You&#39;ve got all these knobs on the oven and the stove. We come in and we basically offer one more knob, one more dimension that you can now control to influence your chemical system. That dimension is gravity.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>It&#39;s kind of like saying to a chef, &quot;Hey I don&#39;t know if you ever realized this, but if you turned off gravity while you were baking muffins you would have a whole different shape. The whole muffin could be the muffin top rather than just one side.&quot; The chef might be like &quot;Hmm, our customers tell us that muffin tops are their favorite part of the muffin.&quot;</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i> Now if we could just turn off gravity in the chef&#39;s oven in their home kitchen down on Earth, that would be their preference. Sadly, Einstein has put the &quot;kibosh&quot; on an anti-gravity machine on Earth. But if we say, &quot;Well, we&#39;ll take your muffin batter and it&#39;ll be more expensive cause we&#39;re gonna take it all the way to space, bake the muffins, and then when we bring them back. But on the upside you&#39;ll be the only chef in the entire world that makes entirely muffin top muffins.&quot; That&#39;s a much different conversation than just &quot;Do you want to manufacture your product in space.&quot;  I don&#39;t know how I got on that muffin rant, but hopefully, that somewhat answered your question.</i></p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>It does. I think the analogy of microgravity being just another knob you can turn is helpful.</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Exactly, it allows us to engage with customers on their terms. We can go to customers and say &quot;hey, we can turn off gravity&quot;, but they don&#39;t care. But to stretch the chef analogy further, if we can say &quot;we can allow you to scale up production on the best-selling part of your product&quot; then they&#39;re interested.</i></p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Looking at previous attempts at manufacturing in space that have been slower to scale, what do you see as key factors that enable Varda to tackle that market more effectively?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>A primary factor is commercial independence and not having to use the ISS. It goes back to that &quot;keep-out sphere&quot; we were talking about. If we&#39;re trying to make a manufacturing assembly line and we&#39;re already pushing the cost barrier because we got to go to space, the last thing we need to do to the assembly line is put humans in a multibillion-dollar piece of machinery, right in the middle of it all. You can&#39;t scale that. The distinguishing feature of Varda is that we are commercially independent, so we don&#39;t have to go to the space station and we go up on commercial launches that can launch once a week or more. We have our own reentry solutions, so we don&#39;t have to wait two months for the next Dragon return and hope there&#39;s payload space on board. We don&#39;t have to deal with any of that. Rocket Lab and SpaceX are our two biggest vendors and there&#39;s no government involvement in that line of business whatsoever yet.</i></p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4203c993-c2f1-4983-91bf-2c04bebb0f2a/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Bruey (second from left) alongside one of the company&#39;s first spacecraft being manufactured in their facility in El Segundo, CA. Source: varda.com</p></span></div></div><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>My last question is, what are you most excited about for the future of the space industry?</b></h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>This is obviously a selfish answer, but I am most excited about going camping in some remote area and looking up and gazing at the stars by the campfire and seeing one or two streaks of our capsules coming back in with customer products inside. I&#39;m looking forward to that being just a routine part of the economy.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>In the future, I really think that space will feel more like the ocean to our kids and grandkids. The reason for that is, if you think about people in non-coastal areas, they feel like oil rigs are way closer to them than the cosmos. But that&#39;s not true. Space is actually pretty close, just 100 miles away or so. But people feel like the oil rig is closer because it&#39;s part of the routine economy. So from one perspective, I think success in the space economy will actually bring space closer to us, rather than us into the stars, at least in our lifetimes.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That&#39;s a wrap, thanks for reading!</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Follow me on Twitter for more on the business of space!</p><blockquote align="center" class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://twitter.com/IanVorbach/status/1630401003538481152?s=20&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-the-ceo-of-varda-space-will-bruey"><p> Twitter tweet </p></a></blockquote></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=efdc4f0b-72d0-49e8-bf46-07b27e51d78a&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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  <description>Interview with Seyka Mejeur of AdAstra</description>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Dropping into your inbox with another issue of SpaceDotBiz. Today&#39;s newsletter is probably the most practically useful I&#39;ve sent yet. I interviewed Seyka Mejeur, founder and CEO of the space recruiting firm <a class="link" href="https://adastra.us/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">AdAstra</a>. She has helped find and recruit top talent for some of the highest-performing companies in the space industry.</p><div class="image"><img alt="null" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/fb0ee809-2669-45cd-b95c-da28db89cb9e/264CFA7D-3897-44D2-A22E-1BD497385805.jpg"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Seyka shared really detailed, nuanced, and sometimes contrarian insights into attracting and signing the best-of-the-best to your organization. We also talked about the other side of the process and how individuals looking for roles in the space industry can improve the outcome of that process.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/subscribe?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Honestly, this is the kind of information you would usually have to pay a lot of money for. I&#39;d consider it a must-read for anyone in the space industry looking to build great organizations or maximize their career opportunities, which probably includes just about everyone who subscribes to this newsletter. Now let&#39;s jump in.</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Together with...</p><div class="image"><a class="image__link" href="https://spacecomexpo.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/c368109a-b7c1-47b8-943e-209e90412c1e/SpaceDotBiz_Newsletter_Graphic_1082x498__1_.png"/></a></div><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are some of the space companies that you’ve supported in their recruiting efforts and what types of hiring, from new grads to executive positions, do you typically support?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i> We work exclusively with space and clean technology startups. In terms of who we work with, we don&#39;t disclose any partnerships unless we&#39;ve explicitly asked for permission to share. A couple of those are Varda and Ursa Major. And we work with multiple small launch companies and a variety of others in the new space startup community.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>As far as roles that we work with, we do either executive hiring, so that&#39;s like C-suite level roles, and often &quot;head of&quot; roles, which is a common term that&#39;s used in startups where there&#39;s not a lot of differentiation between director and VP. We also work with any roles in the technical vertical. So we might work with entry-level new grads, but that would be a pretty big exception. That&#39;s usually when one of our clients explicitly asks for help with that and we recognize that it&#39;s not where we&#39;re always most focused, but we know we can help. Typically we&#39;re filling roles where the demand is for someone at least slightly seasoned.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Anecdotally I hear a lot of discussion around a talent shortage in the space industry. As someone with a lot more data on the topic, does that resonate with you? If so, what would you attribute that labor shortage to?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Great question and there&#39;s a lot that goes into that topic. To start, yes there&#39;s a shortage. The space startups that we&#39;re working with are all going after the top 5% or even 1% of talent. Part of the reason for that is that startups don&#39;t have a lot of wiggle room for mistakes. If you&#39;re a space startup, your work needs to be high reliability and it&#39;s often safety-critical, so there&#39;s not a lot of margin for mistakes. Beyond that, at a startup, time is money. Being able to slow your burn rate means you are going to have more opportunities to make your company work. So getting things done very quickly is really important. That&#39;s part of why we hear clichés like, &quot;move fast and break things&quot;. So there is high pressure in these startup environments to do things well and do things quickly. As a result, we&#39;re fighting over the very cream of the crop talent.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>In addition, there&#39;s a very small number of people in that talent pool. For example, if someone goes the route of working at a legacy space organization like Boeing, Northrop, or Raytheon, the sort of experience that they&#39;re going to get, while high-quality and a wonderful experience, is not always applicable to the work that has to be done at a startup. At a legacy organization, the work tends to be very specialized and focused since you have so many people working on projects.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Whereas at startups, you might only have one person who works on a particular part. Individuals have to have more of a breadth and wider span of knowledge, where they have to see something through its entire lifecycle. There aren&#39;t 10 people working on each piece of the lifecycle for that part. As a result, people who go the route of a legacy company become less relevant to startups. Beyond that, the pace and the style of legacy versus startups are very different. At a legacy organization, if you have a great idea, you have many stakeholders to win over, so that idea might come to fruition over 12 to 24 months. At a startup, you have a great idea on Wednesday, you might have it implemented by Thursday morning. So the styles and the types of problems are really different. As a result, for people that spend more time at legacy companies, we see them becoming less relevant to the startup world over time.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>In addition, pay is a factor as well, and tech pays a lot more. As a result, if individuals are not incredibly passionate about clean tech or space and the kind of engineering rigor that goes along with those industries, they can get pulled into very lucrative work, which can potentially also make them less relevant for these industries or startup cultures. So that&#39;s a bit of what I think is going into the challenges around talent shortages.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In the early days of a startup, its typical for founders to hire almost exclusively from within their networks. The risk of that path is in building a homogenous team with similar perspectives and blind spots. Is there a head count number at which you push early teams to look outside their immediate networks?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>On one hand, hiring can be a very labor-intensive piece of building a company, especially if you&#39;re going outside of your network. That&#39;s why as an entrepreneur you&#39;re often hiring from within your network, or looking at people you&#39;ve already worked with. You trust them, you know that you can rely on their work. There&#39;s not a lot of guesswork in the interview process. If you&#39;ve worked with them, you can get enough buy-in that you can make that decision quickly. You have the relationship capital to be able to pull those people in. So there are a lot of benefits to tapping your network early on, which is why so many people do it. And frankly, we advise it when people come to us early on. We ask, &quot;Have you effectively tapped your network?&quot;</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>However, as soon as you have a homogenous starting team, you start to get yourself into a bit of a pickle with how easy it&#39;s going to be to get other people to come in. It can feel a lot like an in-group, outgroup dynamic to people who are trying to contribute to the organization. That dynamic has been well studied in organizational psychology, and it does not turn out well for the outgroup. So there has to be a lot of intentionality in pulling the outgroup into the organization. We tend to say that the first 10 to 20 hires is a really good place to be pushing yourself to pull in diversity of thought and diversity of background. Not just tapping the network that you already are very familiar with.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Hiring is probably a great indicator of the state of the economy and of the space industry in particular. How have you seen the recruiting landscape change over the past year as market conditions have gotten more challenging?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>This is another really fun question. It was really interesting when we saw some of the big tech companies hit massive layoffs. I forget when exactly, but that was maybe three, four, or five months ago. Some of the CEOs at the companies we&#39;re working with were like, &quot;Oh, this is great. We&#39;re going to have an influx of great talent.&quot;</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>At the time I was like &quot;Maybe...it might actually swing the other way.&quot; I think that&#39;s what we&#39;ve seen. I&#39;ll explain why. First, there are definitely exceptions, but typically the people that we are trying to recruit for our clients are happily employed and haven&#39;t been impacted by layoffs. They&#39;re not available and we are enticing them for a new opportunity. So the impact is really that, these individuals we&#39;re trying to hire just saw a bunch of their peers get laid off and they&#39;re more risk averse, saying to themselves, &quot;I know what I&#39;ve got here and that opportunity over there seems a lot more uncertain. Do I really want to make a big change during a risky time? I think I&#39;m good.&quot; So instead of there being an increase in talent, we saw a real tightening up of talent.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Additionally, with inflation we hit a very interesting time where candidates were saying, &quot;Due to inflation, I&#39;m going to need to see my salary somewhat match that inflation rate.&quot; As a result, startups are saying &quot;My money just became less valuable. I need to hold onto my capital. So we started seeing more sticking around compensation. So we&#39;ve seen a lot of tightening in the space industry and in talent recently. However, in Q1 we&#39;ve actually seen things start to warm up a bit, especially in comparison to Q4 of 2022.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What is something that you think space startups frequently get wrong in the hiring process?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>If I can just get up on my soapbox really quick, I would emphasize the value of employer branding. I believe that branding your organization through the hiring process is one of the most powerful marketing branding opportunities that a company has. You have people who are open, who are actively trying to absorb information about your organization, and who are interested in the conversation. Talk about an advertising opportunity. Usually, people are clicking away from ads, but you&#39;ve got people who are in your industry, who are in the network of other people who are in your industry, who are going to go on to either work with you, work with one of your customers, work with one of your vendors, work with one of your competitors, etc. The opportunity to have a massive influential impact in how you are marketing your organization is just prime for the picking. I think that people miss that opportunity all the time.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Some practical ways that people can grab this opportunity are by being really intentional with the interview process. Have some documents that you put together, some handouts that explain who the organization is, and what candidates can expect from the interview process. That can be very useful for the interview process. It&#39;s also an opportunity for your organization to say who you are and share your story.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Another key way to improve the hiring process is to be very thoughtful about how these candidates are interacted with. I like to say that when a candidate enters your interview process, they should always exit with a positive impression. Either they&#39;re exiting your interview process into your company and you want them to be excited and motivated and starting off on the right foot, or they&#39;re exiting thinking, &quot;It didn&#39;t work out but that was a really cool company.&quot; We hear all the time from candidates, &quot;I applied and I just never heard back.&quot; Or even worse, &quot;I applied and I interviewed, but then nobody ever followed up with me, my emails started going into a black hole.&quot; We hear it all the time.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Sometimes startups are like, &quot;I have so many applicants that don&#39;t fit anything that I&#39;m trying to hire for.&quot; We tell them to send a mass message that&#39;s letting those people know that this is not the right time for this position, but here&#39;s something about us and we&#39;re really appreciative that you applied. Even that is an opportunity to plant a seed and brand your organization. So that&#39;s a key one that I could talk about forever.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Another area where I see things go wrong is in interviewing. Somewhere around 10 years ago, Google was in the news for asking questions like, &quot;If you were a tree, what tree would you be?&quot; If it&#39;s an exploratory team bonding opportunity where people then get to explain why they&#39;d be that type of tree and what that means to them, then sure. As an interview question where there&#39;s a right answer and a wrong answer, it is a terrible interview question that is not going to tell you what you need to know about this individual. There&#39;s been a lot of research on questions like this.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Every question really needs to be able to tie to an outcome or a behavior that you want to be able to see in the job. It&#39;s not about pressuring people, unless you are interviewing somebody who&#39;s going to have to endure that kind of pressure in their actual job. Then that would be relevant, but it&#39;s typically not. So it&#39;s important to ask yourself, &quot;Am I testing for the skills I actually care about, or am I using this because I think it&#39;s like a crafty interview trick.&quot; You really want to stay away from the latter.</i></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/subscribe?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are some things you’ve seen done really well in the space startup hiring?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Intentionality and commitment to high-caliber talent, even when its painful. It can get painful to know that you really need to fill a role and nobody is meeting your technical bar. Sticking that out can be very challenging when you really want to just hire someone to get the role filled.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>On the other hand, you can take that to an extreme where a company might find someone that&#39;s almost perfect, but it&#39;s going to take some time to mentor them to be truly perfect, so you pass on that individual because they&#39;re not perfect at this moment. But passing can often mean waiting three more months until you get the right person and in that time, the nearly perfect person could have become the perfect person. So there are two sides to that coin. Waiting for the right person in a role, but also being able to identify when someone is worth mentoring and bringing them on so that they can really level up to be perfect.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Another thing that&#39;s done really well in space startup hiring is having mission-driven organizations and teammates. So people that are very tied to the mission of the organization. There&#39;s no denying that money matters, but it&#39;s very rare that people are taking the job just for money. It&#39;s just not how these industries work. People are in it for the mission and the vision. They are very passionate and intrinsically motivated for the work that they&#39;re doing.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Its no secret that the aerospace industry doesn’t have the most diverse workforce. It seems to me that drawing from a more diverse talent pool would be a solution to some of the industries labor shortages. Are there any efforts that you’ve seen space companies take that have been particularly effective at attracting and maintaining a more diverse talent pool?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Shameless plug, we&#39;ve got a podcast called </i><i><a class="link" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7hnOhwsBbDSuoxBJMEwHdH?si=a4c26e90f5b543cb&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">AdAstra With</a></i><i>, and we&#39;re releasing an episode with </i><i><a class="link" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fjaneyagriffin%3FminiProfileUrn%3Durn%253Ali%253Afs_miniProfile%253AACoAAAXdobMBb1VD4u4NF2qq7v3VL6T8hSygpis%26lipi%3Durn%253Ali%253Apage%253Ad_flagship3_search_srp_all%253B2RYLrMAwTICz8HFV9i4N0g%253D%253D&sa=D&source=docs&ust=1675370531247945&usg=AOvVaw3LQKZXzQAbYvPOsHuHsENq&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Janeya Griffin</a></i><i> who runs an organization called Equity Space Alliance. One of the things that Janeya talks about is that diversity and inclusion isn&#39;t enough. There is an element of equity and ownership that&#39;s needed in the space arena, even in small scrappy startups.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>So, what does that look like practically? Well, employee resource groups are something that a lot of organizations have, where people of this group can get together and discuss what would work best within our organization. What Janaya emphasizes is 1) if you don&#39;t know how to set one of those up, you can contact the Equity Space Alliance and they&#39;ve got ideas and tools to help you set that up, and 2) once that is set up, it&#39;s not just a space for those people to gab or communicate. It&#39;s really a space to come up with ideas to improve the organization. Janaya emphasizes that its critical to give those employee resource groups the resources to actually make an impact and have ownership over the changes that they&#39;d like to see. That means giving them a budget, giving them ownership, and giving them the ear of the stakeholders that need to be involved in making those changes. So really having equity be a piece of the conversation and not just inclusion.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/061c3a35-7907-4f5b-bb9e-f22cb8009a4a/Screenshot_2023-01-29_at_1.34.57_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Seyka interviewing founding SpaceX team member Hans Koenigsmann for the AdAstra With Podcast. Source: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6nCEHWseUBugAjbi8iSyWQ</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In contrast, are there efforts to increase workforce diversity that you have seen companies take that aren’t really impactful or seem to be an ineffective use of resources?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Absolutely. Something common we hear from organizations coming to us is, &quot;We really need to hire for these positions and we&#39;re getting a ton of applicants, but none are good.&quot; We call that the &quot;post and pray&quot; method. So they&#39;re posting roles online, maybe they&#39;re even paying to get job postings listed at universities that are historically diverse or historically of one community group or another. But there&#39;s got to be more active work to get to those candidates. Having a line on your job description that you care about diversity isn&#39;t enough to really get that moving in your organization.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Another place we see organizations fall short is in talking about wanting diversity, but not being willing to fill in gaps that may exist because of generations of societal norms and practices that have made it such that certain groups are not part of our industry. There are a lot of groups in our world where their parents were engineers or their parents were part of the space community and as a result, they see themselves as generationally belonging to this community. On the other hand, there are other groups where previous generations haven&#39;t had those opportunities. Being able to include diverse perspectives will sometimes mean taking somebody who is excellent and filling in some gaps that they don&#39;t have.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Flipping over to the perspective of the candidate, what questions would you recommend a candidate ask to better understand the value of the equity package they are being offered.</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>We find that even for people who have been at startups before and received equity packages, equity is a slippery topic to understand. That&#39;s especially true because sometimes a lot of the information that you would like to have isn&#39;t available to the public. So I recommend asking a lot of great questions and trying to really get insight into what the value and accessibility of the equity are going to be.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>As a result, there are a few things you can ask. A key one is to figure out how much of the company you own, which involves asking 1) &quot;What percentage of the company is being offered&quot;, or 2) &quot;What is the number of shares&quot; and &quot;How many shares are there&quot; or 3) &quot;What&#39;s the value of the shares&quot; and &quot;What&#39;s the value of the company?&quot; Sometimes one of those pieces of information isn&#39;t available, but if you can get a few of them, you can start to do some calculations and start to wrap your head around how valuable that equity package is going to be. Understanding the vesting schedule is also important. For example, is there a year cliff and then monthly vesting? Is it a four-year schedule? What&#39;s the strike price and is it lower than the current value of shares?</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Dilution also becomes critical over time. It makes sense to ask how much dilution is expected to determine if your equity will be dramatically less valuable in five years or so. Of course, that&#39;s not something that the company can guarantee, but it&#39;s a way to give an idea of what is the projected value of the company, how much time until that value can be realized, and what is the probability of success.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>There are other things to ask to help you decide if you think the company is going to be successful. For example, is the company solving a problem that&#39;s large enough to justify the projected valuation? Are they hiring and are they able to hire awesome people? Are the leaders able to execute the plan to build the company? Does the company have enough money to meet those goals or do you think they can attract the kinds of investors they&#39;ll need to get there? So not only having money, but also having access to more money.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>There&#39;s another great</i><i><a class="link" href="https://www.holloway.com/g/equity-compensation/sections/typical-employee-equity-levels?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-do-s-and-dont-s-of-space-startup-recruiting" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"> resource by Holloway</a></i><i> that describes some standard values around equity packages based on the stage of the company. For example, if it&#39;s a seed company, 0.5% to 2% is in a strong zone for an equity offering. For a Series A stage company, 0.1% to 0.5% is pretty strong. For Series B up to 0.1% is pretty strong. Those are kind of the zones that we often see for equity.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How would you recommend a potential hire conduct technical due diligence on a company they are considering joining?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>With regards to that form of diligence, there are things you can try to determine around product-market fit and the size of the total addressable market. You would want to understand what this company is looking to solve and how big the market is that they&#39;re going after. Does their product solve a key problem in that market? There are a lot of really cool ideas that don&#39;t solve an existing problem, and that will even require a ton of market education before getting customers to make a purchase. I&#39;m not saying those are bad ideas, but it&#39;s very painful to educate consumers and that&#39;s a good thing to be aware of.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>There are great ideas that don&#39;t plug into the market easily. Or, in the clean tech space, you&#39;ll often see really great ideas that are very altruistic. Another shameless plug, we had Josh Geiger on AdAstra With, and that podcast will be released soon, but we talked about how you can&#39;t shame people into buying a product.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>You also want to try to understand if the company has a solid technical roadmap ahead of them that you believe they can execute on. That is often informed by how they have executed their previous goals. Do they have strong evidence that they can continue to hit milestones? You can also ask the individuals who interview you about what common patterns they have seen in teammates who are successful at the organization. Another great thing to ask individual interviewers is &quot;What are the biggest challenges that the company is facing?&quot; Then, you can see if you&#39;re getting similar answers from interviewers or if they contradict each other. Use the interview process to understand the organization at a much deeper level by exploring how people see the organization from the inside.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That wraps up the interview! I hope you got as much out of it as I did. 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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For decades, it has been understood in the space community that if humanity were to thrive for long periods of time in space, it would need to lean on a form of energy that we have historically been hesitant to embrace on Earth. That energy is nuclear.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Historically, nuclear has only been leveraged in limited ways in space applications. However, that may change in the coming years. Both the U.S. civilian government and the Department of Defense have expressed renewed vigor in exploring applications of nuclear systems for space applications. In fact, there are now multiple projects that have received tens to hundreds of millions in funding to explore the use of nuclear systems for enabling power and propulsion in space.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This newsletter will discuss the existing applications in which nuclear has been used in space before covering future nuclear space technologies and ultimately addressing the government programs that are aiming to turn them into reality.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Here&#39;s a quick summary of what will be discussed:</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Types of Space-Based Nuclear applications</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Nuclear Reactors</p></li></ul></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Current US Government Programs for Nuclear in Space</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Civilian Government Programs (NASA)</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Defense Department Programs (DARPA, DIU)</p></li></ul></li></ul><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Together with...</p><div class="image"><a class="image__link" href="https://spacecomexpo.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-us-government-s-push-for-nuclear-in-space" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/a7f50e69-0b58-4862-9b78-5431e46243d9/SpaceDotBiz_Newsletter_Graphic_1082x498__1_.png"/></a></div><hr class="content_break"><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Types of Space-Based Nuclear Systems</h1><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The first nuclear mission in space involved the launch of a Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG) named Snap-3 aboard the US Navy&#39;s Transit 4A navigation satellite in 1961. RTG&#39;s use thermocouples to convert the heat from a small sample of decaying radioactive material into an electric potential. That potential is then used to provide reliable electric power. RTG&#39;s are typically used in locations with remote access making them appealing for applications of satellite electrical power.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/6cfbdecf-a8e3-4b21-8688-4d7345dc2726/snapsat.jpeg"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Transit 4A satellite. Source: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For satellites operating in proximity to Earth, solar panels have become the prevailing means of electric power generation. As a result, RTG&#39;s have in most recent decades been used almost exclusively for powering deep space probes and rovers, including Voyager, Galileo, and Curiosity. Despite their reliability, RTG&#39;s are only capable of generating a few hundred watts of power, making them insufficient for the electrical demands of more substantial space applications, such as for large spacecraft or eventually powering crewed habitats or spacecraft.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Nuclear Fission Reactors in Space</h2><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Historical Use</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For more significant power or heat requirements than can be met by RTG&#39;s, nuclear reactors leveraging nuclear fission are necessary. The process of nuclear fission involves a neutron colliding with the nucleus of a heavy atom such as Uranium or Plutonium. The collision results in the emission of other high-energy neutrons, leading to a chain reaction and the release of significantly more energy which can be harnessed for power generation.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In 1965, the Air Force launched the nuclear-powered SNAP-10 satellite aboard an Atlas rocket from Vandenberg Air Force Base, marking the world&#39;s first operation of a nuclear reactor and ion thruster in space. After 43 days, the spacecraft failed for reasons unrelated to its reactor and it remains in a 1,300km polar orbit. While the US never launched any additional fission reactors after SNAP-10, the Soviet Union sent to orbit a total of 31 reactors to enable nuclear electric propulsion applications.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/ad476c9e-8e85-428d-8b97-35f54d51f4c3/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>SNAP-10 satellite. Source: US Department of Energy</p></span></div></div><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Why Nuclear Now?</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As the US looks to return to the moon, this time with a permanent presence, nuclear power has emerged as a clear enabling technology. NASA recently released potential landing zones for the Artemis III mission, which will be the first Artemis mission to place a crew on the lunar surface. The landing zones are all near the Moon&#39;s poles because of interest in accessing potential ice sources in craters at the Moon&#39;s polar regions.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Colder temperatures, due to shadows and reduced sunlight, in the polar regions increase the likelihood of finding ice. However, reduced sunlight also means solar panels would be less reliable. Furthermore, for long-duration missions, it would be difficult for crews to carry from Earth enough oxygen and hydrogen to generate electrical energy using fuel cells, which were used during the Apollo missions. As a result, nuclear power becomes an attractive means of reliable and long-term power generation.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, nuclear provides benefits as a reliable heat source for propulsion systems on missions to further planetary bodies like Mars or beyond. Two forms of nuclear propulsion, Nuclear Thermal Propulsion (NTP) and Nuclear Electric Propulsion (NEP) offer capabilities that enable high-energy missions requiring large delta-v maneuvers. NTP uses a fission reactor to heat a propellant, typically considered to be hydrogen, to high temperatures before discharging the propellant to generate thrust. NEP uses a nuclear reactor to first generate electricity which is then used to create an electric field that accelerates an ionized propellant particle. That particle is then emitted to create thrust.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">NTP affords a theoretical specific impulse as high as 900s, approximately three times that of a chemical rocket engine, with thrust levels on the order of around 50,000N, much higher than for electric propulsion systems. For comparison, NEP is theoretically capable of Isp levels as high as 10,000s, but with thrust of less than 1N. This means NTP can accelerate spacecraft at a much higher rate, with long-distance NEP missions taking months or years longer.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The unique capabilities of nuclear fission reactors towards powering crewed habitats and novel propulsion systems have led the US government to recently place emphasis on maturing these technologies.</p><h1 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Current U.S. Government Programs for Maturing Nuclear in Space</h1><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">U.S. Civilian Government Programs</h2><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Surface Power</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">One of the key programs that NASA has prioritized for enabling an extended crewed presence on the Moon or Mars is the Fission Surface Power project. The goal of the program is to develop a system that can generate 40kWe of electric capacity, can be delivered by a large lunar lander, and can be transported on a lunar rover.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In June 2022, a joint effort between NASA and the Department of Energy announced that it will award 12-month Phase 1 contracts to three companies to develop preliminary designs for these reactors.</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Lockheed Martin of Bethesda, Maryland – The company will partner with BWXT and Creare.</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Westinghouse of Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania – The company will partner with Aerojet Rocketdyne.</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">IX of Houston, Texas, a joint venture of Intuitive Machines and X-Energy – The company will partner with Maxar and Boeing.</p></li></ul><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/0785e8aa-134d-450b-94ec-8f464c95788e/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>A conceptual illustration of a fission surface power system. Source: NASA</p></span></div></div><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Propulsion</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">NASA and the Department of Energy&#39;s near-term focus on nuclear propulsion primarily concentrates on nuclear thermal propulsion. In July 2021, that partnership announced a 12-month contract, similar to that for the fission surface power program, that will be awarded to the following companies to produce a conceptual design reactor that could support future missions</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">BWX Technologies, Inc. of Lynchburg, Virginia – The company will partner with Lockheed Martin.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems of San Diego – The company will partner with X-energy LLC and Aerojet Rocketdyne.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Ultra Safe Nuclear Technologies of Seattle – The company will partner with Ultra Safe Nuclear Corporation, Blue Origin, General Electric Hitachi Nuclear Energy, General Electric Research, Framatome, and Materion.</p></li></ul><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/5800f69c-7bde-4c4d-8e12-66b4ee6315de/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Rendering of a spacecraft using Nuclear Thermal Propulsion. Source: Ultra Safe Nuclear Technologies</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Military Government Programs</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition to NASA and the U.S. civilian government&#39;s expressed interest in nuclear application to space, the U.S. Department of Defense has its own focus in this arena as well.</p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Defense Innovation Unit Programs</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Based in Mountain View, California the Defense Innovation Unit (DIU) is a US Department of Defense organization founded to help the U.S. military make faster use of emerging commercial technologies. In May of 2022, the DIU announced awards of two Prototype Other Transaction contracts for space nuclear projects, with the purpose of accelerating ground and flight testing for nuclear-powered prototypes.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">One of these was awarded to Ultra Safe Nuclear, for a demonstration of a nuclear radioisotope batter called EmberCore, which Ultra Safe is developing for both propulsion and space power applications. The EmberCore radioisotope product aims to offer 10x higher power levels compared to previous plutonium radioisotopes systems. The stated ambition is to offer &quot;more than 1 million kilowatt hours (kWh) of energy in just a few kilograms of fuel.&quot;</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The second contract from DIU was awarded to Avalanche Energy to develop a small fusion reactor, approximately the size of a lunch pail. This device, which Avalanche calls Orbitron, uses electrostatic fields to contain high-temperature, high-energy ions in overlapping orbits, offering opportunities for collisions and fusion events within the small fusion reactor. Orbitron is intended for use either as a propulsion system, presumably as an electric propulsion system by emitting the high-energy ions, or as a power supply for spacecraft electrical systems.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">DIU has stated that these two awards are specifically for supporting highly maneuverable, smaller spacecraft. This is in contrast to NASA systems which are intended for larger spacecraft or powering crewed habitats on the Moon or Mars. When the awards were made, DIU&#39;s Program Manager for the Nuclear Advanced Propulsion and Power (NAPP) program emphasized the bridge between the government and commercial capabilities when it comes to nuclear, stating &quot;Nuclear tech has traditionally been government-developed and operated, but we have discovered a thriving ecosystem of commercial companies, including start-ups, innovating in space nuclear.&quot;</p><h3 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">DARPA DRACO</h3><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is a research and development agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of emerging technologies for use by the military.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In April 2021, DARPA had announced three contracts awarded as part of its Demonstration Rocket for Agile Cislunar Operations (DRACO) program. The goal of the program is to ultimately demonstrate a nuclear thermal propulsion system on orbit.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There are two tracks to the DARPA DRACO program. Track A involves development of the nuclear fission reactor while Track B focuses more on the conceptual design of the spacecraft system and mission objectives. The 2021 contract awarded Phase 1 funding for both tracks.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">For Phase 1 of Track A, General Atomics was awarded $22M to develop a study of the nuclear reactor design. For Phase 1 of Track B, Lockheed Martin and Blue Origin received $2.9M and $2.5M to each develop their own plan for a spacecraft design to leverage the nuclear reactor and implement an NTP system. DARPA plans to select only one spacecraft design to carry into later phases of the program.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Conclusion</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">After decades of limited interest and modest investment in applying nuclear reactor systems to space, there is a sudden growing momentum. While it is easy to maintain skepticism regarding near-term timelines for projects hoping to place nuclear material in space, the level of funding behind these civilian and military government programs provides reason to be optimistic. Given that existing propulsion and power systems offer little realistic path for a sustained economy beyond the moon, there seems to be an inevitability around the need for nuclear in space. 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    <dc:creator>Ian Vorbach</dc:creator>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I&#39;m so excited to share with you that SpaceDotBiz has hit a major milestone by passing 1,000 subscribers! To celebrate, I&#39;m sharing some of SpaceDotBiz&#39;s most insightful interview answers so far and also asking for a favor to spread the word. But first, here&#39;s a recap of where the newsletter is currently at:</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/eb0d50da-b677-4937-815b-fed681e0ff5d/Screen_Shot_2022-12-07_at_2.11.38_PM.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">At the time of writing, SpaceDotBiz has 1,164 subscribers. It&#39;s taken about 18 months to get to this point. I sent out my first newsletter in March of 2021 and it has been a gradual process of building this community ever since. In total I&#39;ve sent out 31 newsletters, consisting of 10 interviews and 21 original &quot;essays&quot;. Now let&#39;s get down to business...</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Together with...</p><div class="recommendation"><figure class="recommendation__logo"><img alt="Payload" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/publication/logo/dcbb1aa4-deef-4497-b873-ea0d3986c899/TQZ2u7-I_400x400.jpg"/></figure><h3 class="recommendation__title"> Payload </h3><p class="recommendation__description"> We cover the business and policy of space. Join 15k+ space leaders today. </p><a class="recommendation__link" href="https://magic.beehiiv.com/v1/dcbb1aa4-deef-4497-b873-ea0d3986c899?recommendation_id=e07ec501-e44f-4b03-8bd4-f7762de8fe15&utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers"> Subscribe </a></div><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>A Favor: Spread The Word</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Please take a moment to forward this newsletter to one friend that you think would enjoy reading insights about startups in the space industry.</b></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I don&#39;t pay for advertising or growth, so that means essentially all of my subscriber growth has resulted from you taking the time to share SpaceDotBiz with your friends. I&#39;m greatly appreciative of you for not only signing up for these emails but also for believing that this content is valuable enough to recommend to those who trust you. I hope to continue to offer a level of quality with this newsletter that maintains that trust!</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>The Best-of-the-Best: Most Insightful Interview Responses from SpaceDotBiz&#39;s 18 Month History</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I believe SpaceDotBiz is at its best when it&#39;s offering something you couldn&#39;t get from any other source. Some of you have been subscribing since I first started writing this newsletter in March 2021 and others have only signed up more recently. As a result, there&#39;s a lot of valuable wisdom about the space industry that may have never reached your inbox if it went out before you signed up. So I went back through all of my interviews and picked out the individual responses that I believe carry the most powerful and enduring insights to this day. If these passages inspire you to read the entire interview, just click the links I provide in each section. So here they are:</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview</b>: <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/interview-phil-ingle-investment-banker-space-companies?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Phil Ingle, Managing Director in Morgan Stanley&#39;s Aerospace and Defense Investment Banking group</a>. Phil&#39;s job is to assist the best space companies in financing their ambitious plans. He himself advised Rocket Lab through their very successful SPAC process in 2021.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/c867fee0-a2d9-42d2-96a3-c00b959b6a4b/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Phil (second from left) speaking at the Satellite 2022 conference</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question: </b>How would you counsel executives at post-SPAC companies that need to tap capital markets while their stock prices are depressed?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer: </b><i>Markets are window-driven. Last year, 2021 was an absolute boom for equity markets in terms of issuance, IPO&#39;s, equities, etc. Then the first quarter of 2022 was a desert. I think there were two IPO&#39;s and two follow-on rounds. It doesn&#39;t matter how great you are right now, the capital markets are pretty closed for most high-growth companies.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>So the advice is that you&#39;ve got to execute on your business plan, but then you&#39;ve got to be ready so that if the window does open, you can quickly tap it because these windows do open and close. The worst thing would be to do everything right operationally on the business front but not get yourself in a position where you&#39;re mentally prepared to tap markets. That preparation means having spent time talking about it with your board and saying &quot;if the markets do open up, we&#39;re going to raise X amount of capital and we think the right strategy is equity because...&quot; Being prepared is critical because if you&#39;re not prepared and the window opens and closes, that&#39;s not where you want to be.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview</b>: <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/interview-investor-sunil-nagaraj-partner-ubiquity-ventures?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Sunil Nagaraj, Founding Partner Ubiquity Ventures</a>, formerly a Principal at Bessemer Venture Partners. At Ubiquity, Sunil invested in Loft Orbital and Muon Space and while he was at Bessemer, he led the fund&#39;s investments in Rocket Lab and Spire Global.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/5d4bff34-11bb-4062-9d51-bf31ec5e8f92/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Ubiquity Ventures Founder Sunil Nagaraj. Source: TechCrunch</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question</b>: What do you look for in potential early-stage space investments?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer</b>: <i>With early-stage investing, when I’m investing before there are many metrics, I usually ask myself three very specific questions. It might be natural simply to ask myself “Do I like this product?”, but I think that’s a terrible way to make investments. I’m not looking for companies that I would use as a customer, so it doesn’t make sense to ask, “would I ever use the product myself?”. I think it’s very tempting to do that, especially when you watch something like Shark Tank and they’ll say “oh I would never use that”.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>The three questions I ask myself are “Does anybody want this product?”, “Are there a lot of those people?”, and “Can this entrepreneur find them?”. Those three questions keep things simple, but they correspond to the business concepts of product-market fit, market size, and unit economics. In my day-to-day, most of my time is spent on question number one, “Does anybody want it?”. That’s trickier than it seems to evaluate. When I hear a pitch it is pretty helpful if an entrepreneur includes some customer quotes, prospective customer quotes, or expert quotes. During my own post-meeting diligence, I’ll often call a potential customer and describe this new product, but they’ll say “oh I don’t want that”. If I ended the diligence call there, that could be a mistake, so I’ll usually have to explain more and navigate the nuance of a prospective customer’s mind in order to figure out if this would be a good fit. So that’s the trickiest thing I do. I try to figure out if customers might buy the product or service in the future if it existed. Steve Jobs has a famous quote “it’s not the customer’s job to know what they want”, so it’s this delicate process of figuring out what might work if it existed.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview: </b><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/interview-laura-crabtree-cofounder-ceo-epsilon3?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Laura Crabtree, Co-Founder and CEO of Epsilon3</a>, a company building procedure and operations software for spacecraft and complex engineering. Epsilon3 has raised over $18M in funding from Lux Capital, Village Global, MaC Venture Capital, and others.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4e3718d3-7b57-418a-a487-42208d8da5b8/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Laura from her time at SpaceX mission control</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question:</b> What made you decide to participate in an accelerator and Y-Combinator in particular?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer:</b><b><i> </i></b><i>Early on at Epsilon3, we talked a lot about accelerators, mostly while saying to ourselves, &quot;We understand the problem and the industry, but how do you build a business around this problem and how do you give the company the highest chance to succeed going forward?&quot; With that in mind, I read a lot of startup books and newsletters. One of my advisors said to me, &quot;These books are great, but have you ever thought about joining an accelerator?&quot;</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>There were a couple of different accelerators we were looking at and Y-Combinator was kind of a no-brainer once we got in. When we interviewed and they accepted, I thought to myself, &quot;If I&#39;m going to build a business, I&#39;m not going to have time to go to business school anymore, so this is the best possible way to learn how to build and scale.&quot; Y-Combinator really provided help in that path for myself and my two co-founders.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview: </b><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/dan-berkenstock-part-1?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Dan Berkenstock, Founding CEO of Skybox Imaging</a>. Skybox was acquired by Google for $500M in 2014 and was the first venture capital funded space startup to have a significant exit event, which was a critical inflection point for the space startup world.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/63999829-39de-4a44-bf7c-822da718f3ca/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Dan giving a Ted Talk in 2013. Source: youtube.com</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question:</b> What were some of the things the company struggled with early on?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer:</b> <i>I think where we could have done a better job was communicating and getting buy-in from all of our investors on our strategic plan, what we were doing and why. That is one of the hardest things when you&#39;re a 28 or 29-year-old first-time founder and you&#39;re trying to take on a big, meaty, capital-intensive problem.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>During the course of our Series A, we continued to dive deeper into understanding the nuts and bolts of what it would take to develop a spacecraft constellation and get them launched. During this process, it became clear it would be significantly more expensive and complicated than we had originally anticipated to bring the total capability to market. Part of the reason for that was naiveté on our part because we hadn&#39;t gone through and done the work yet to really understand the fine print.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Part of it though was also a difference in backgrounds from our investors. We should have added more buffer into our investor and board&#39;s expectations early on in the process. Our team primarily came from aerospace backgrounds, where we knew that there was a dramatic difference in any aerospace program between a back-of-the-envelope, conceptual design and a fully formulated program plan. I think we expected that our investors and board would see things the way we saw them. However, I think for them, it was a more jarring experience. They came primarily from the software industry and other areas that were not as capital intensive and not as subject to significant program ballooning, as you got into the meat of a project.</i></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.space.biz?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview: </b><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/qa-space-research-analyst-caleb-henry?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Caleb Henry, Senior Analyst at Quilty Analytics</a> and formerly a journalist at Via Satellite and Space News</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/ebab402b-774a-437e-9a2f-4167eaf7aaec/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Caleb Henry. Source: APSAT</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question: </b>There’s debate around the scale of the market demand for LEO constellation services. Do you have thoughts on the size of that demand and whether there’s room for all of these competitors to survive and even thrive?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer:</b><i> We’re seeing a real shift towards a multi-orbit future, what is sometimes referred to as a hybrid architecture. It’s probably not going to be favorable to have service from just one orbit. Even if you have LEO operators like SpaceX and Amazon go forward, I think lots of customers are planning networks around using satellites in LEO, GEO, and even elsewhere like MEO or highly elliptical orbits. That looks like it’s very much going to be the future, people want to combine the advantages of each one. They want the low-latency from LEO, the density of capacity that you can put down from GEO, polar coverage that you can get from LEO or GEO, and the ability to dynamically steer capacity quickly across large geographies that you can get from GEO.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>So that’s probably the future that we anticipate. It’s less about who wins and who loses and more about what the broader future of satellite communications looks like. That future is likely not principally defined by a single architecture.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview:</b> <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/interview-tess-hatch-partner-bessemer-venture-partners?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Tess Hatch, Partner at Bessemer Venture Partners</a>, focuses on frontier technology, specifically the commercialization of space, drones, autonomous vehicles, and agriculture and food technology. Tess is currently a board observer at Rocket Lab and was previously a board director at Spire Global.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4a0f50d1-47f5-4b3f-a7dc-b61545837840/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Tess Hatch speaking at Tech Crunch Disrupt</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question:</b> What is something that you wish more entrepreneurs knew when they start reaching out to early-stage investors about raising funding?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer:</b> <i>It’s a relationship/conversation! I encourage all entrepreneurs to do as much diligence on the investor as the investor does on the company. Call up every CEO/founder the investor has worked with and ask them about working with the investor. Emphasis needs to be on the person, and not just the firm. You are about to partner with this person for the foreseeable future so make sure you two are the right match.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Interview:</b> <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/interview-steve-isakowitz-ceo-aerospace-corporation?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=hitting-1000-subscribers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Steve Isakowitz, CEO of the Aerospace Corporation</a>, a nonprofit corporation established in 1960 that advises and conducts analysis for government, civil, and commercial aerospace customers. Aerospace Corp. has over 4,000 employees and earned over $1.1B in revenue in 2020.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/a5a65d81-25d6-4d46-ae3a-a9146eddb229/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Steve Isakowitz, CEO Aerospace Corporation</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Question:</b> What do you think isn’t receiving enough attention in the space world right now?</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>Answer:</b><i> From the government side, I think there’s more work to be done on creating a market that’s better understood by the private sector, so the private sector knows where they can invest and can have the confidence that it won’t change for them. The government is trying to figure out how to be a good customer but at the same time knowing that they can depend on the private sector to step up. Something I think the government is always wary of is, will those companies that are hot today be there tomorrow? Can they depend on suppliers to avoid sourcing components from adversaries? Do those suppliers take matters like cybersecurity sufficiently seriously, will the information used within those services be protected? I think the government and industry are starting to work their way through it, but those issues certainly need to be tackled.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That&#39;s a wrap! 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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Last week I shared part one of an interview with Dan Berkenstock, the founding CEO of Skybox Imaging. Today&#39;s newsletter is part two of that interview. Skybox became the first venture-backed space startup to have a major exit event when it was acquired by Google for $500M in 2014. For those who haven&#39;t already read that newsletter, I highly recommend <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/dan-berkenstock-part-1?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-dan-berkenstock-part-two" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">starting there first</a>.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That newsletter covered some incredible topics, including what they struggled with early on, how they validated Skybox&#39;s value proposition, his board deciding to hire a new CEO, and more.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now let&#39;s dig into part two!</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-dan-berkenstock-part-two"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Skybox ultimately was acquired by Google. How did that Google acquisition come to be? And what were some of the learnings from going through an acquisition like that?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Fairly early on in Skybox, I asked one of our investors how acquisitions happened, since I had no idea how it worked in the real world. They said, &quot;Well, the acquirer is often a customer and not usually your biggest customer. You&#39;ll hit some major milestone and they will have a conversation with you that goes something like, &#39;We&#39;d like to explore other ways we might be able to work together.&#39;&quot; At the time I thought it couldn’t be that simple, but I filed it away in my head.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>A few years later, that&#39;s exactly what happened. Google was a customer, but they weren&#39;t our biggest customer. They were an important early customer and we started to have talks with them about ways that we might be able to work more closely. When SkySat-1 launched, I think we surprised ourselves, them, and all the other folks that were watching us with the quality of the imagery that was coming off of the satellite.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/5614e2b4-cb7d-4509-9334-1bfafee1fc87/videoplayback__1__AdobeExpress.gif"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Some of the first video released from SkySat-1. Actual video is in HD 1080p. Source: youtube.com</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Our acquisition, any acquisition really but ours in particular, was just this somewhat magical sequence of events that all came together. We were in the right place at the right time, with the right capabilities, and the right team to help with a need that they saw. As with every other acquisition that I have now witnessed any of my friends or colleagues go through, these are all bumpy rides with a lot of negotiating, a lot of uncertainty, and a lot of anxiety about whether you&#39;re going to actually get it across the finish line. Thanks to the efforts of many, many people on both the Google and the Skybox side, it did get over the finish line.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Second only to actually launching a satellite that works for the first time, there&#39;s probably no better feeling in your professional life than walking into Google and starting your first day with 150 of your closest friends and colleagues. Everyone was wearing the Google beanie caps and getting our Google badges and computers. That was just an extraordinary experience.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Also, it allowed us to hit the reset button back to our early days, which was a large motivating factor for us in being acquired. We were suddenly in an organization that prized information and data and applications of that data more than just building satellite hardware. We were part of a group of people that had vast experience working with imagery, knowing how to store it, make it look better, and get the most bang for your buck in terms of how the imagery is presented. The expertise went even beyond that though, like in being able to orthorectify imagery so that shots from multiple days line up with each other, which is very important if you&#39;re trying to look at change over a period of time. They were also experts at using machine learning models at scale to extract information from imagery, which happens billions of times a day in tools like Google Photos. There was an unimaginably vast set of infrastructure that we could lean on once we were part of the Google team. Overall it was just a fantastic experience and one that, if I had to make the choice again, I would do every day of the week and twice on Sunday.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>In addition to just being a great deal for the investors and our employees, I really believe in thinking realistically about the future valuations of companies based on earnings and honest financial metrics, not just based on enthusiasm. I had run the numbers. I had looked at what types of future valuations we were likely to honestly support based on comps to public markets, based on discounted cash flows, and based on the revenue ramp that we credibly expected to achieve.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>The risks that were inherent to our path and the amount of money that we would have to raise to be able to hit those milestones, they were pretty daunting. It was daunting for us then, and I think it remains daunting today for the industry as a whole, which I think is a big part of the reason why there haven&#39;t been a whole lot of other significant acquisitions in this industry.</i></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-dan-berkenstock-part-two"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Well, it&#39;s funny you say that because I was going to ask why you think there haven&#39;t been any acquisitions like Skybox&#39;s since it took place back in 2014.</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Well, I don&#39;t know how big the Swarm acquisition was [Swarm was acquired by SpaceX in 2021 for an undisclosed amount]. That is the one other acquisition that I would say seems to be a significant one. I think that a lot of it is because it has remained stubbornly difficult to assign a value to space businesses outside of limited government-dominated markets.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>There&#39;s a lot of great technology that&#39;s been developed. I mean, a lot of just extraordinary technology that&#39;s been developed for launch and spacecraft, both for communications and for earth observation. It&#39;s mind-blowing to think about the degree of technology that&#39;s been developed in many cases by relatively junior folks in their career over the last 10 or 15 years. It parallels things that were developed by nation-states in the forties, fifties, and sixties. It is just extraordinary.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>However, the growth in markets for the applications of the data that come off of these spacecraft have just been so much more stubborn to develop than any of us wanted to believe 15 years ago, and I think anybody still wants to believe today. The value chain for the data off of any type of observation or measurement spacecraft is just so complex. It requires so much more finagling and modification and tuning for each specific application than is ideal.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Often when you even do get to the end of that road, you finally have something that&#39;s useful for an end user that hasn&#39;t traditionally used satellite imagery and their response is &quot;Let me use this for two years, and then I can tell you what the value is to me.&quot; It remains very difficult for them to be able to ascribe a specific value proposition for that data based on its quality, frequency, dependability, and its comparative value with other types of data that also drive daily business decisions.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I&#39;m a big believer that in 50 years, this data will be ubiquitous. It will be used in all kinds of varied applications through all types of industries that we can scarcely imagine today. But the path for how we get from today to that endpoint is not a lot clearer to me now in 2022 than it was in 2012, even with all this time and money and investment. Most of these companies are still tracking towards deeper connections to government and larger proportions of their revenue stream coming from governments, versus a commercial user base that we would all like to exist.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What form does Skybox live on in today?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Today there are 21 spacecraft that we developed and are operated by Planet Labs [the SkySat satellites were later sold by Google to Planet Labs], which I believe makes it the largest high-resolution imaging constellation in existence. From what I see in the media, they&#39;re taking a lot of great pictures every day. There&#39;s been an incredible batch of pictures taken by SkySats in the last six months related to the Ukrainian conflict. It&#39;s wonderful to see the clarity and the quality of the data that&#39;s coming off of the SkySats and the impact that I believe they continue to make for the public.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/f7baa1a5-3cc2-4aa2-bcda-83ce9a618898/Screen_Shot_2022-09-08_at_11.39.03_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>SkySat-1 Image of the Port of Jeddah on February 23, 2014. Source: Inc.com</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>When you see pictures on the CNN wall from satellites that you helped develop and they&#39;re helping to describe to the country how a major global crisis is unfolding, I find that pretty extraordinary. I think that that&#39;s a wonderful legacy of all the time, effort, blood, sweat, and tears that the Skybox team put into developing, manufacturing, and launching those satellites.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How are you involved in the space industry today?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I&#39;m a formal or informal advisor to a number of early-stage space ventures. I&#39;m also on the board of Astranis as an independent director.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are your thoughts on the relationship between venture financing and the space industry going forward?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think that we in the space industry have a responsibility in the types of projects that we pursue. Especially when venture financing is involved, we need to really be honest with ourselves about the commercial viability of these programs and the likelihood that they will be able to move beyond technology projects to true businesses. I think that the last 15 years have proven that the venture industry has been willing to put a significant amount of financing to work in space projects. I think that there&#39;s a real risk that some of these projects that have had so much capital put into them, still have an uncertain path to real commercial success. As a result, we run the risk of souring future investment. Just because you can raise a lot of money doesn&#39;t always mean you should.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>A project that ends up not being commercially viable can be an enormous loss on somebody&#39;s balance sheet. One or two high-profile instances of that, I think could really cool the investment market for the next generation of people that come along.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think there have been some really smart business models, like Swarm Space&#39;s for example, where you&#39;ve got a company that can build a true commercial capability, with a small team and a relatively small amount of money, which has the potential to scale. I also think that efforts in the communication industry, in general, are very interesting because the value chain is so much less complicated than it is for Earth Observation. The bits get moved around and the customers are happy.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think that there are some great examples where it makes a lot of sense to go for venture investment, in situations where you can disrupt an industry that has existed, or try and take advantage of a new disruptive technology that has the potential to turn into a real growth business. Ultimately though I think there&#39;s a fair amount of responsibility that&#39;s incumbent on entrepreneurs in the space industry to be honest with themselves about pursuing projects based on an actual fit for the venture industry and an expected return profile. That&#39;s in contrast to instead falling in love with the technology and just seeing how far you can take it based on the money you can raise.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are you most excited about for the future of the space industry going forward?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>First, I&#39;m excited about operating networks of commercial sensors that will help us really understand our planet. You can&#39;t manage what you can&#39;t measure. We have an existential crisis in front of us to try and leave a world for our kids and grandkids that is as good as, if not better than, the world that we were given. I think the path to that does lead through measuring so that we can manage. Constellations of lower-cost satellites enabled by cutting-edge technologies can offer their services much faster through startups than they can through traditional space programs. I think that is a noble, valuable, and critical effort toward the future of humanity.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i> I also think that there are still so many places in the world where communications are difficult to come by or even nonexistent. There are so many people in the world whose lives could be lifted up by improved access to communications. I really hope that that&#39;s something that technology from space can help drive as well.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>In addition, space for the last 50 or 60 years has inspired and catalyzed new generations of scientists and engineers that will help carry us all forward with their future discoveries. Being a part of a space startup that has a bold mission and great people is an exhilarating and extraordinarily fulfilling experience. I hope that&#39;s something that lots of people can have in their careers. I hope that these companies can help inspire the next generations of scientists and engineers. We&#39;re all gonna need them for all the things that are gonna come up in the future.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Looking back, is there anything you would&#39;ve told your younger self in 2009, when you were founding Skybox?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I&#39;d probably take more pictures and videos. People did actually tell me that. Folks who had been successful with their own startup companies came through and said, &quot;Wow, this culture, this office, it feels awesome. Make sure you stop to enjoy it now. Record it, take pictures, take videos. It&#39;s not always gonna be like this. Things are going to change as you raise more money and the stakes get higher. You&#39;re at a unique moment in life, and there are gonna be a lot of other great moments in life, but this will be a unique one.&quot;</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/cf0cc53b-ceae-40ea-8e9c-220cc1b38bd6/Screen_Shot_2022-09-08_at_6.26.28_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Dan alongside some of the Skybox team. Source: Inc.com</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i> I would probably tell my younger self to slow down, smell the roses, and take in what&#39;s around me. Of course in the midst of continuing to push hard toward the next step on the ladder of making the whole thing work.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I also would&#39;ve told myself that I was one of the luckiest people in the world for having the co-founders that I had and the early team of people that we had. There were four formal co-founders, but then the next 10 or 12 of us were co-founders too in a certain sense. We were so lucky to have that group of people together as a core. It got us through so many hard times and really was what punched us through to being successful in all the ways that we were successful.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That wraps up the second part of SpaceDotBiz&#39;s two-part interview with Dan Berkenstock, founding CEO of Skybox Imaging. 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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Today for SpaceDotBiz I&#39;m sharing an interview I&#39;m incredibly excited about. I spoke with Dan Berkenstock, the founding CEO of Skybox Imaging. The company&#39;s story is key to the relationship between New Space and venture capital financing.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Skybox was founded in 2009 and became the first venture-backed startup in the space industry to have a major exit event when Google acquired Skybox in 2014 for $500M. The company was founded by four Stanford graduate students, three (including Dan) in the school&#39;s Aeronautics and Astronautics department and one in the Graduate School of Business.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/3a08a399-c5ec-44d6-937b-775cda4a0e78/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Dan giving a Ted Talk in 2013. Source: youtube.com</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I met Dan in 2019 when he was my professor. That year, he came back to Stanford to teach a course called <i>How To Build An Aerospace Startup,</i> alongside his Skybox co-founder John Fenwick, which I enrolled in when I was myself a grad student in the school&#39;s Aeronautics and Astronautics program.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This interview is so thorough and Dan was so generous with his time, that I&#39;ve had to split it into two parts, the second of which I will send out as my next newsletter issue. In this first part, we talk about topics like what it was like raising venture capital for a space company in 2009, what they struggled with early on, how they validated Skybox&#39;s value proposition, his board deciding to hire a new CEO, and more.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now let&#39;s jump into the interview...</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-dan-berkenstock-founding-ceo-of-skybox-imaging"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How did the Skybox team come together and what was the company&#39;s mission?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>The Skybox team originally came together in response to the Google Lunar XPRIZE announcement back in 2007. At the time, there were a few Stanford folks thinking about going after this prize, including groups doing hybrid propulsion, working on CubeSats, and studying control theory. Overall, there were four or five sets of people who had all independently been talking about this prize. Over pizza and beers, we all coalesced into a big, integrated project team. Stanford had just won the DARPA Grand Challenge as well, which was related to autonomous driving, so we thought an exciting next step could be putting a rover on the Moon. Unfortunately, the economy collapsed soon after the prize announcement and it became clear that doing an expensive industrial-grade mission out of Stanford was not a likely scenario. As a result, most of us scattered and went our separate ways.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I kept wondering whether we could take the approach to low-cost systems engineering that had been developed involving CubeSats at Stanford and turn it into a viable commercial mission. After canvassing this nascent industry, I eventually bumped into a guy who said that he wanted to use frequent satellite imagery for monitoring carbon offsets, specifically, trees that had been wrapped into carbon offsets in Southeast Asia. But, satellite imagery was way too expensive, way too hard to get, way too hard to work with, and way too infrequent for that to be a useful application. That conversation sparked the goal of good enough quality imagery for viable commercial information applications on a consistent and affordable basis.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>That was fundamentally the mission of Skybox, to open up the world as a data set to companies, nonprofits, and governments in a way that just hadn&#39;t been practical before. Both from the imagery side, as well as in plumbing the imagery. To be able to convey this information in graphs, charts, and numbers in an Excel file, instead of just providing large, difficult to work with, proprietarily formatted satellite images.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/72653219-cbd5-4bd2-96e9-a4203fef1d66/Screen_Shot_2022-09-08_at_12.40.17_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>The Skybox co-founders, (left to right) Dan Berkenstock, Ching-Yu Hu, Julian Mann, and John Fenwick. Source: Inc.com</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What was it like raising venture funding for a space startup back in 2009?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>It was rough. We talked to 60 firms before we got our first term sheet. There was real interest in what we were doing, but there were no existence proofs yet. It took finding a senior partner at a firm that was early in its fund cycle, had a lot of capital, had a big vision, and had a lot of appetite for technical risk. We didn&#39;t know in the beginning that that&#39;s what we needed to look for. Fortunately, we had some very good advisors who eventually introduced us to the tiny subset of people that are at the center of that overlapping Venn diagram. That&#39;s who ultimately ended up investing in us.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What were some of the things the company did well early on and some of the things you struggled with?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think that far and away, the best thing that we did early on was in hiring. We had an extraordinary team of people at Skybox. That&#39;s largely because the first 10 to 15 hires were some of our best friends from Stanford and we were blessed to have come into Stanford with a brilliant, exceptional, very well-rounded group of people that were not just technically very sharp, but were also great people. They were people that had the ability to grow into the types of leadership positions that a startup needs along the way.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think that we also did a really good job of canvassing the market and talking to many potential users who hadn’t considered satellite imagery an option in the past. Satellite imagery is a technology that has perennially been stuck within the confines of a small group of expert users with very deep pockets, primarily on the government side.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>We were motivated to break through that log jam. We believed then, and I continue to believe now, that the best way to do that is to understand what types of problems these people were solving in their daily lives. For example, what were the applications they were using when they sat down and logged onto their computer at work? What were their decision-making processes about how to buy things, how to sell things, and where to move things? How to monitor things? When to fix things? Doing that allowed us to get to a point where we wanted to optimize our system to be able to see vehicles moving around the planet on a daily basis. We learned a lot from that process. For example, for us it really didn&#39;t make sense to have high-frequency imagery that was at too low of a resolution to see the things that change on a high-frequency basis. I think that in the last 10 or 15 years, all the applications and developments and challenges in the commercial space industry have validated the approach that we took and the decisions we made on the resolution, quality, and timeliness trade-offs while designing the system.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think where we could have done a better job was communicating and getting buy-in from all of our investors on our strategic plan, what we were doing and why. That is one of the hardest things when you&#39;re a 28 or 29-year-old first-time founder and you&#39;re trying to take on a big, meaty, capital-intensive problem.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>During the course of our Series A, we continued to dive deeper into understanding the nuts and bolts of what it would take to develop a spacecraft constellation and get them launched. During this process, it became clear it would be significantly more expensive and complicated than we had originally anticipated to bring the total capability to market. Part of the reason for that was naiveté on our part because we hadn&#39;t gone through and done the work yet to really understand the fine print.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Part of it though was also a difference in backgrounds from our investors. We should have added more buffer into our investor and board&#39;s expectations early on in the process. Our team primarily came from aerospace backgrounds, where we knew that there was a dramatic difference in any aerospace program between a back-of-the-envelope, conceptual design and a fully formulated program plan. I think we expected that our investors and board would see things the way we saw them. However, I think for them, it was a more jarring experience. They came primarily from the software industry and other areas that were not as capital intensive and not as subject to significant program ballooning, as you got into the meat of a project.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/920a2ed2-3f4f-4d3c-800b-e9b615520ffb/Screen_Shot_2022-09-08_at_11.40.04_AM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Photo from the early Skybox offices. Source: Inc.com</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Do you think the awareness of what it takes to build a space company exists now in the venture community more so than it did in 2009?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i> Absolutely. I think that there&#39;s a bit of a quandary in the venture community in that you want to be willing to be first into a new market from a financial return point of view, however, it can be intimidating to be first into a market from an execution and risk point of view. That&#39;s especially true when it&#39;s a new type of technology and development process. It&#39;s tempting to pattern match from what you&#39;ve seen in the past in other industries, but it can turn out to be very different.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think today, 15 years later, there are a lot of existence proofs that just weren’t part of the equation when we started out. That development is based on the efforts of a number of different companies and on the financial success of a limited number of companies. For example, there is no question today that a young group of founders with moderate industry experience in the aerospace industry can, with the right amount of capital, attract a team, come up with a qualified technical plan, and drive the execution through to putting satellites in orbit or launching rockets from the ground.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>At this point, that&#39;s in the rear-view mirror. I think that the concerns that existed more in 2009 or 2010 around the question of, &quot;Would a group of folks with this level of experience be able to successfully execute a program? Would a group of folks with this level of experience and age be able to raise money for this type of program?&quot; I think those questions have been answered. And I think that the financial industry, the venture community in particular, has a very different perspective on that today than they did back then.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I still see a great number of open questions surrounding the business viability, the potential market size, and trying to understand how consolidated versus how fragmented the user bases are for these products. However, I think the fundamental question of, &quot;Can it be built on a venture scale investment with a dedicated, but relatively inexperienced team?&quot; I think that&#39;s been put to pasture at this point.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">It&#39;s interesting and encouraging to hear you say that a space startup can be built in a compatible way with the venture model because I think a perspective still exists about that being an open question.</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I would say that ten billion, or so, dollars in investment, at least bought an answer to that question. However, I would say that it has not bought an answer to the question of whether or not these are scalable, reliable, and enduring business models.</i></p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-dan-berkenstock-founding-ceo-of-skybox-imaging"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">In the early stages of Skybox, how did you go about validating the company&#39;s value proposition?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>We talked to everyone we could conceive of using satellite imagery. We really searched far and wide. We talked to every reseller that we could find that sold satellite imagery in the current market. We talked to every government agency and government agency representative, both from the United States and around the world, that would talk to us. We sat in the offices of hedge fund managers in New York, oil traders in Texas, and people who sold imagery to farmers across the country. We set out to talk to a very large swath of people and tried our hardest to distill that down into a set of technical feedback that we could use to make informed decisions. We digested all of that information to design the spacecraft and the tools that went downstream of the images that we captured.</i></p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/f108030f-fcb4-4e07-9330-8ebbecec201c/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>SkBox&#39;s first satellites SkySat-1 and SkySat-2 satellites. Source: SpaceNews.com</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">That&#39;s pretty thorough. Not easy for a bunch of grad students</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>No, it wasn&#39;t. It was a lot of fun though. We were busy. We racked up tons of frequent flyer miles and so many nights on friends&#39; couches around the country.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What were some of the growing pains of being a first-time founder in the space industry?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Culturally, there&#39;s a lot that&#39;s very different in the aerospace industry than in the startup world. The aerospace industry is a place that&#39;s slow to change and where someone&#39;s value is often correlated to their time in the seat or how many years they&#39;ve put in. It&#39;s an industry that tends to be hierarchical. It&#39;s an industry where you don&#39;t project certainty about your plans or your decisions because there is always uncertainty.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>It can be a tough job to balance that with some of the things that can make you successful in the startup world, such as projecting significant confidence and selling a story that actually goes beyond the exact horizon of what you know today and putting your confidence in people based on perceived and demonstrated ability versus the length of their career. It&#39;s challenging to balance those two worlds.</i></p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">About three years into founding Skybox, the company&#39;s board chose to bring in an outside executive to take over the CEO role and you stepped into the Chief Product Officer role. How do you now look back on that experience and are there any key learnings that stay with you?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Looking back based on the context as well as the state of understanding within both the venture community and the startup aerospace community at the time, I understand the board&#39;s reasons for wanting what they perceived as a professional CEO who could help catalyze the investment that would be required to continue the capital intensive business plan that we were on. I think that now with the benefit of hindsight and what we&#39;ve seen across the industry, the concerns they had at the time were largely unfounded. That&#39;s a hindsight being 20/20 observation, not one that was clear at the time. There have been quite a lot of existence proofs at this point of people with the same age, experience, and ability that I had, who were able to carry these businesses much further.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>At the time it was not a decision that I supported quite frankly. I wanted to carry the company through launch and early revenue. At some point, I expected to turn it over to someone else to lead, but I felt that I had, along with the other three co-founders, set the company on a good trajectory and that the business was coming together. The technology was coming together. The team was certainly coming together. I felt that there was a lot more that I had to offer.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>At the time I also feared that making this step would limit our potential because, although there were more experienced people than me in both the satellite world and in the world of building new markets based on information applications, I did not at the time nor do I believe today, that there was anybody out there that was more experienced than me at merging the two of those together in a startup.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I believed that, by hiring a professional CEO, we would inevitably have to prioritize one of those things over the other. In addition, I also worried that, because of the capital-intensive nature and risk of the satellite side, we would probably end up prioritizing someone who knew and understood satellites, but who did not know and understand Silicon Valley growth information markets, or at least not specifically the applications of satellite imagery. I was concerned that in doing so, we would be more likely to over-invest in technical risk reduction in manual systems to support the satellites. Therefore, our overall risk posture would be too conservative and more geared towards satellites versus balancing that risk reduction with making the investments that we would need beyond the launch of the first satellites, and providing of initial imagery.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>Ultimately, that&#39;s essentially what happened. On balance, the things that I was concerned about did come to pass. It&#39;s a counterfactual today, but I think the things that the board was more concerned about were less likely to materialize, based on events as they have occurred throughout the rest of the industry.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>At the time, I didn&#39;t have any money in the bank to fall back on. I had invested everything I had in Skybox. I had invested my time, my career, my friendships, and my reputation. I felt a strong responsibility to that group of friends that had been willing to leave jobs at Lockheed Martin or at NASA centers. They left places where they had a 401(k), the opportunity to work on incredible projects, and a very clear arc for their own careers laid out in front of them.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>These folks had taken a big risk, left those places, came to work with us, and bet on the Skybox vision. Based on all those things, I didn&#39;t really feel like I could just say, &quot;No, if you hire a CEO, good luck but I&#39;m leaving.&quot; I didn&#39;t feel like I was in a position to be able to say that, based on my own personal apprehensions, my own lack of resources to fall back on, and the responsibility I felt to the team.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think that now I would handle that very differently, having gone through the whole iteration and being in a different place in life. I think I would be much more comfortable saying, &quot;No, I&#39;m sorry, that&#39;s not something we&#39;re gonna do.&quot; Or, &quot;That&#39;s not something I&#39;m going to entertain.&quot;</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>While I think that situation is less common today in the space industry, it is still a very real concern for any CEO or for any first-time founder. I think it&#39;s important to have a conversation with yourself early in the process and have a plan for what you&#39;re going to say, if and when that comes up. I also think that changing CEOs is a very messy process that should generally be avoided, especially in a company that&#39;s going at 110 miles an hour in a very complex development project.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>In retrospect, there were certainly ways that I could&#39;ve helped myself and there are ways that the people around me could&#39;ve helped me better to navigate the interpersonal and team dynamics and issues that came after that transition.</i></p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><i>I think it&#39;s also a good lesson for folks that might go through it themselves. If you&#39;re going to choose to stay, you have to look at part of your job as figuring out the way to make it work best. You have to work through it. Not just around it. I don&#39;t think that the working “through it” is something that I did as well as I could have, or that we as an organization, did as well as we could have in hindsight.</i></p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That wraps up part one of this two-part interview, part two is coming out as my next newsletter issue! In part two we talk about Skybox getting acquired by Google, what Dan thinks about the relationship between venture capital and space going forward, and so much more. If you aren&#39;t yet subscribed to SpaceDotBiz, make sure you do so below so that you can get part two directly to your inbox!</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-dan-berkenstock-founding-ceo-of-skybox-imaging"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Also make sure to check out Payload Space, an amazing space newsletter that keeps you up to date daily with everything you need to know about the space industry:</p><div class="recommendation"><figure class="recommendation__logo"><img alt="Payload" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/publication/logo/dcbb1aa4-deef-4497-b873-ea0d3986c899/TQZ2u7-I_400x400.jpg"/></figure><h3 class="recommendation__title"> Payload </h3><p class="recommendation__description"> We cover the business and policy of space. 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  <title>The Launch Landscape: The Whole Thing</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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    <dc:creator>Ian Vorbach</dc:creator>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Over the past 18 months, I&#39;ve written a series of newsletters that provide a survey and analysis of the most relevant orbital rockets in the launch market. It has covered rockets that were already flying, as well as those that aimed to start launching in the very near term. </p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Titled the<i> Launch Landscape</i>, the series touched on everything from Astra&#39;s Rocket 3 on the smallest end, all the way up to SpaceX&#39;s Starship at the largest. There were 23 rockets discussed over 5 publications.</p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/762d53d2-6119-4536-a749-f407f6608b5b/Big_Rocket_Landscape_v2.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Having now hit upon so many vehicles over an extended period, I think it&#39;s helpful to provide a single, comprehensive writeup of the whole set of rockets and reflect on the Launch Landscape holistically, as well as take a look back on what has and hasn&#39;t changed since the newsletters were published. Lets dig in!</p><hr class="content_break"><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Sponsored</p><div class="image"><a class="image__link" href="https://caseclosed.substack.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/896de21d-5d5f-4eb8-8629-e15ebeede02f/Case_Closed.png"/></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">If you are interested in no BS investment research on space SPACs, deep dives on space startups, or discussion of broader space industry developments, then <a class="link" href="https://caseclosed.substack.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">subscribe to Case Closed</a> for insights!</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/launch-landscape-small-rockets?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Small-Lift Class Vehicles</a>, originally published June 16th, 2021</h2><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/4c932ac6-4305-4977-b88d-6fda87dcd32c/image.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I wrote about small rockets in the summer of 2021. It was an exciting time in the small launch industry with some companies hoping to scale up their operations and others attempting their first orbital launches in the months to follow.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">While Astra and Vega-C have now successfully reached orbit for the first time, other small launchers like Firefly&#39;s Alpha rocket, Relativity&#39;s Terran 1, and ABL&#39;s RS1 are still hoping to make their first successful orbital launches. Furthermore, Astra has decided to step away from their Rocket 3 and move to a newer, larger Rocket 4. On the other hand, Virgin Orbit&#39;s LauncherOne and Rocket Lab&#39;s Electron vehicles are scaling operations as their vehicles demonstrate higher rates of reliability, with Electron hitting its stride and surpassing a monthly launch cadence. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In my newsletter 12 months ago, I focused largely on questions regarding the size of the market demand for dedicated small launch vehicles carrying payloads less than 1,500kg. In retrospect, it&#39;s hard to determine how warranted those concerns were around market size. There hasn&#39;t been enough scale on the supply of these launch vehicles to determine what launch rate would seem to meet the demand from satellites and spacecraft. For the moment, it&#39;s clear that the demand still outpaces supply.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In some ways, the slower ramping up of these launch vehicles is further reducing concerns around demand, as new satellite constellations are being announced on a seemingly monthly basis. Some constellations have started to partner up with these launch companies, however, it&#39;s notable that most constellation deployments have been planned with vehicles in larger payload classes. For example, Relativity&#39;s significant partnership to deploy OneWeb satellites was announced using their next-generation Terran R vehicle rather than the smaller Terran 1.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, attention has shifted from questions around demand to instead focus on risks around execution. This is particularly true as launch companies begin to announce next-generation ambitious projects like lunar landers, satellite buses, and communications constellations, making it all the more important that these organizations execute on near-term milestones before moving towards future projects. For more information on those projects, check out a previous newsletter of mine titled <a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/rocket-companies-become-rocket-companies?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">When Rocket Companies Become More Tan Rocket Companies</a>.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/launch-landscape-medium-lift-rockets?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Medium-Lift Class Vehicles</a>, originally published July 29th, 2021</h2><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/f18501a0-ee75-480e-8c5c-d218a5bf9f50/image.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When I wrote about the rockets in the medium launch vehicle category, I emphasized the international nature of this payload class of rocket. Representing the US, China, India, Russia, and Japan, there was something particularly global about the vehicles capable of lifting 2,000kg to 20,000kg of payload to low Earth orbit.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The geographic diversity of these vehicles has become even more relevant due to the events that have transpired since the article was written. When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, western nations responded by sanctioning a number of Russian exports. Roscosmos, Russia&#39;s state-sponsored space agency, themselves responded by suspending flights of western satellites and cooperation with European partners. The first to be impacted was satellite broadband provider OneWeb who had been using Russia&#39;s Soyuz rocket for deploying its constellation and had a number of satellites integrated aboard a Soyuz vehicle at the time cooperation halted. OneWeb ultimately never recovered those satellites and wrote them off as a $229 million loss. OneWeb has since announced partnerships with U.S. launch companies SpaceX and Relativity.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In addition, the Northrop Grumman Antares rocket used Russian-bought RD-181 engines to power its first stage. Supply of those engines has similarly halted and Northrop has recently announced a partnership to develop a new first stage alongside Firefly Space, which will power the Antares rocket.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Given the supply chain challenges, it&#39;s no wonder so many spacefaring nations have elected to maintain a domestic launch capability in this lift class, despite the costs in doing so. </p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/launch-landscape-mediumheavy-lift-vehicles?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Medium/Heavy-Lift Class Vehicles</a>, originally published March 2nd, 2021</h2><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/588cd648-2f93-4bf9-896b-9b032d9aff06/image.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When I began writing the Launch Landscape series, I chose to start with the busiest rockets on the market. It turned out that many of those rockets all had similar payload capabilities right around 20,000kg to LEO, the border between the medium and heavy lift classes. Rather than shoehorn them in with the medium rockets (2,000kg to 20,000kg) or the heavy rockets (20,000kg to 50,000kg), I gave them their own category.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In retrospect, these three vehicles tell an interesting story of the impact that innovation has had on the launch industry. One of these rockets, the Falcon 9, has in only the last decade completely redefined not only launch, but the space industry entirely. The consequence is that the other two vehicles, the Atlas V and the Proton, are being displaced and phased out due to their lack of competitiveness in this shifting launch market.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It&#39;s hard to overstate the impact the Falcon 9 has had on both rocketry and the economics of launch. It most obviously has reduced the costs of accessing space. More than that I&#39;d argue though that it has greatly shifted how we even think about space as a commercial industry. The Falcon 9 challenged us to focus less on the technology of rocketry and more on the economics.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Given the significant demand for vehicles in this category, as exemplified by their rate of flight, we can better understand why some companies building small launch vehicles, specifically Rocket Lab and Relativity, have announced next-generation rockets around this 20,000kg to LEO lift-capacity.</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/launch-landscape-heavylift-vehicles?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Heavy-Lift Class Vehicles</a>, originally published November 23rd, 2021</h2><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/22dac38e-69a5-43a5-85d1-a4b4e73bc34c/image.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">When I wrote about vehicles in the heavy-lift class category, I discussed how those rockets had been optimized not for price, but for performance. They were intended to enable one-off missions with highly precise orbits, often at higher energy GTO or direct insertion into GEO. For that reason, they were all incorporating engines using high-performing hydrogen rocket engines that are more challenging due to the need to work with cryogenic hydrogen in liquid form. For these reasons, the heavy launch rockets tend to be expensive and serve less price-sensitive customers, such as civilian space government agencies or defense-related national security agencies.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This was recently exemplified by the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope in December 2021 aboard an Ariane 5 rocket. Due to the high-precision, high-energy nature of the Ariane 5, Webb was placed into such a perfect trajectory that the telescope needed very little of its own propellant to make additional orbital corrections. Consequently, the James Webb Space Telescope ended up with significant &quot;extra&quot; fuel onboard, effectively doubling the fuel-limiting lifetime of the telescope. Given that there are fewer such applications that require this type of high-energy launch, we can see why the heavy launch vehicles tend to be in a price category that often makes them uncompetitive for commercial satellite customers.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In contrast to my categorizing these vehicles specifically towards high-energy orbits, one <a class="link" href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220405005519/en/Amazon-Secures-Up-to-83-Launches-from-Arianespace-Blue-Origin-and-United-Launch-Alliance-for-Project-Kuiper?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">recent launch deal</a> showed that these rockets might be used toward price-sensitive launches to low Earth orbit as well. This was Amazon&#39;s bulk purchase of 38 Vulcan launches to carry Project Kuiper satellites to LEO. The deal will tie up a considerable chunk of launch supply over the coming years and shows that these heavy lift vehicles may be more versatile than we&#39;ve previously seen.</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><a class="link" href="https://newsletter.spacedotbiz.com/p/launch-landscape-super-heavylift-vehicles?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Super Heavy-Lift Class Vehicles</a>, originally published March 10, 2022</h2><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/7f4d8d8a-d62c-4d6b-bd06-5fc9900d3b9c/image.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The Super Heavy-lift launch class was the rocket category that I covered most recently and for that reason, it is the category that has changed the least.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Perhaps the most exciting part of this lift class is that we may soon be seeing the first orbital flights of both NASA&#39;s Space Launch System and SpaceX&#39;s Starship. In fact, SLS scrubbed the first launch attempt in recent weeks and currently has another launch window scheduled for September 23rd. That first flight has been over a decade in the making and It will also likely mark the end of NASA&#39;s legacy of developing rockets themselves, as the agency has chosen going forward to primarily purchase launch services from commercial industry.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">While the first launch of SLS will be a triumphant feat for NASA, Starship is expected to have a far more profound impact over time. While SLS is aiming to scale towards a launch rate of every year or so, Starship has ambitions to eventually fly multiple times per day. Before even its first orbital attempt, Starship has inspired numerous articles about the pending transformational change it will have on the launch industry. There are youtube channels with tens of thousands of viewers that show 24-hour coverage of vehicle development at Boca Chica. Perhaps most importantly though, it has attracted to this industry a generation of enthusiasts who might otherwise have never been exposed to space.</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Wrapping It Up</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The diversity of vehicles in this post is a testament to the growing robustness of the launch sector, led by venture-funded companies proving to be critical enablers of space access. This was recently emphasized in the U.S. Department of Defense&#39;s State of the Space Industrial Base released in August 2022, which stated, &quot;After a decade of innovation and significant private investment, the U.S. has begun to recover and is once again resurgent as a leader in space launch services.&quot;</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Furthermore, while an impressive set of commercially developed vehicles is already servicing customers or seeking to imminently do so, there are a handful of rockets that I did not include because they will likely not launch for another two to three years at least. Those rockets may themselves reshape the market in the not-too-distant future. They include Rocket Lab&#39;s Neutron, Relativity&#39;s Terran R, Phantom&#39;s Daytona, Astra&#39;s Rocket 4, and Stoke Space&#39;s yet-to-be-named vehicle.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">All this leads to an optimistic future for satellite and spacecraft operators, who will be looking forward to increasing launch rates and decreasing launch prices over the horizon.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-launch-landscape-the-whole-thing"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=b2fdcd13-b438-44f0-b5af-30a1f0ad05f8&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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  <title>Interview with Brian Manning, CEO and Co-Founder of Xona Space</title>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">This week for SpaceDotBiz I&#39;m interviewing Brian Manning, CEO and Co-Founder of <a class="link" href="https://www.xonaspace.com/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-brian-manning-ceo-and-co-founder-of-xona-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Xona Space Systems</a>. Xona is a space startup building a highly precise and secure Global Navigation Satellite System. Think of their service like GPS but with 10x higher accuracy and 100x better resistance to jamming or spoofing (unlike current GPS service which is very susceptible to both intentional and unintentional interference). To accomplish this, Xona is developing a constellation of small satellites in low Earth orbit that provide a position, navigation, and timing service. The company is looking to offer the level of navigation that will help enable the next generation of autonomous systems like self-driving cars, drones, and robotics.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-brian-manning-ceo-and-co-founder-of-xona-space"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Xona also<a class="link" href="https://spacenews.com/lockheed-invests-in-xonas-gps-alternative-constellation/?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-brian-manning-ceo-and-co-founder-of-xona-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"> announced just last week</a> that it has raised more than $25M so far toward developing this service. That funding includes a significant investment from Lockheed Martin Ventures, the venture capital arm of defense contractor Lockheed Martin.</p><div class="image"><img alt="" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/d805230b-f6fa-48a4-b7b6-902cf7315409/Brian2__1_.PNG"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Brian Manning, CEO and Co-Founder of Xona Space</p></span></div></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I&#39;m particularly excited to share this interview because I&#39;ve been fortunate to know some of the Xona founding team from when we overlapped in our graduate programs in the Stanford Aeronautics and Astronautics department a number of years ago.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Before we start, it might be helpful to provide definitions for some terms that will be used throughout the interview</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>GNSS, or Global Navigation Satellite System</b>. This is a type of system that uses satellites to provide location information on the Earth&#39;s surface. The most well-known and broadly used GNSS system is the U.S. government&#39;s Global Positioning System, or GPS. There are four current GNSS systems, all of which have been developed through national government efforts. These include the U.S.&#39;s GPS, the European Union&#39;s Galileo, Russia&#39;s GLONASS, and China&#39;s BeiDou.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><b>PNT, or Position, Navigation, and Timing </b>is a combination of three distinct capabilities</p><ul><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Positioning, the ability to accurately and precisely determine one&#39;s location and orientation</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Navigation, the ability to determine current and desired position (relative or absolute)</p></li><li><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Timing, the ability to acquire and maintain accurate and precise time from a standard (Coordinated Universal Time, or UTC)</p></li></ul><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Now lets dive into the interview.</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What is the value that Xona&#39;s Pulsar system provides and how does it compare to traditional GNSS services like the US&#39;s Global Positioning System?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">GPS is just a phenomenal system. Not many people realize just much value and how many industries GPS actually supports. Everyone knows it&#39;s in your phone, but not many people realize that it&#39;s part of every form of modern transportation, most infrastructure, banks, power grids, cell towers, and financial markets. They all rely on GPS.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">GPS was never designed to be the only source of navigation and timing throughout the entire world but it&#39;s so valuable, available, global, and useful that for many applications it is the only thing that can meet everyone&#39;s needs. As a result, many different industries have adopted it. Looking toward the future, there are a number of new technologies that are leveraging precision navigation, like autonomous vehicles, robotics, drones, augmented reality, and many others. When GPS was conceived, these topics were largely still science fiction and the needs of these applications are very different from prior applications. GPS is certainly modernizing but the needs of the commercial market are evolving incredibly rapidly. There has never been a system designed from the ground up to support the accuracy levels, security levels, and integrity levels that those industries need.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So that&#39;s really where our system comes in, adding a second differentiated navigation system that is really specific and targeted at providing very high-performance services to newly demanding applications. Things like the automotive world, the drone world, and even into mass mobile.</p><div class="image"><img alt="null" class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/970f4c26-0c7f-4bd7-b266-543184c40ec9/image.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>An illustration of Xona&#39;s Pulsar system compared to traditional GNSS. Source: www.xonaspace.com</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How did the Xona team come together and what drew you to this problem in particular?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">A lot of this technology comes from the prior work of our CTO Dr. Tyler Reid and the rest of our founding team. Our team is actually eight founders, so it&#39;s a pretty big founding team. It&#39;s all a bunch of Stanford aerospace graduate program folks that met around 10 years ago. After that, some of us split up into industry and others stayed in academia. I for example went into the automotive world for a while and then back to SpaceX. Some of the other folks stuck around after the Masters&#39;s program and continued into the PhD program. Tyler did his PhD on how to build a new generation of GPS using New Space systems of large constellations and small satellites.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">After that, he went to work at Ford as a research engineer in their autonomous division out here in California. While at Ford, part of his job involved navigation technology scouting. That meant looking out into industry and trying to figure out what solutions and what technologies were available that could support this coming world of modern technology. That&#39;s where he started to realize the big gap between where the navigation tech sits today and where it needs to be to support the integrity, safety, and accuracy levels of upcoming modern technologies. So he was the one that started getting these conversations going.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">It began with dominos pizza and beer chats and once there were eight of us in the room together, we started asking ourselves &quot;Why has nobody done this before? Well, maybe it&#39;s because this team hasn&#39;t been together to do it.&quot; That was about three years ago and we&#39;ve been off and running since.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Can you describe some of the constellation design choices for Xona&#39;s satellite systems and why they were made?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Well our constellation is a couple of hundred satellites, which looks fairly different than a lot of the multi-thousand communication satellite constellations. Part of the reason for that is that we are a navigation and timing system which is inherently very different than a communication system in many ways. When you are optimizing for the best navigation performance you have different trade-offs. For example, you want multiple satellites in view of your receiver, with signals coming in from different angles to better calculate location performance. However, for a communication system, you really care about maximizing bandwidth for the user, so you typically want only one satellite covering an area or as few as necessary, and to have them all as close together as possible and directly above the receiver’s location on Earth as opposed to spread out with higher geometric diversity.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The superpower of GPS and the reason we have something like six or seven billion GPS devices on the planet is that it&#39;s a one-directional broadcast. That really allows you nearly infinite scalability, as opposed to having a limited number of users that each satellite can service, which is the case with bi-directional communications satellites. Having a broadcast-type service drives the system choices around altitude and number of satellites you need to support all of the potential users around the globe.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">I&#39;m not familiar with any other LEO-based one-directional broadcast services, a lot of those end up being GEO based, like satellite radio or DISH television for example. Your team seems to really be able to explore this from a fresh perspective because it hasn&#39;t been done before.</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Yeah, it turns out to be a unique and different use case. Even though the predecessor to GPS (TRANSIT) was in LEO, high-precision LEO navigation has really not been explored in too much detail so we have had a lot of pioneering to do on how we approached this problem.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">How do you plan on distributing ground receivers to customers? Will you manufacture and sell the receivers yourselves or do you plan to work with licensed partners who will build and sell receivers, similar to Iridium&#39;s approach.</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We&#39;re still a small team and our core competency is really in how to create and distribute high-performing navigation information. It&#39;s not necessarily in how to apply that on the user end case. Part of the reason is if you just look at the breadth of customers for GNSS, it&#39;s an incredibly diverse set of applications. Everything from dog collars and key chains, all the way up to a B-2 bomber aircraft. The use cases, threat vectors, and capabilities that are needed across all the different devices between those applications are massively varied. So there&#39;s no one size fits all or even ten sizes fit all. There are a lot of sizes with different levels of capability.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Likewise, there are many companies that have created a ton of IP and have a lot of experience in how to make the most out of GNSS signals coming from space and utilizing that information to extract as much performance as you can. For us, everything comes back to our company mission, which is to enable modern technology to operate safely in any environment, anywhere on Earth. If you&#39;re building an autonomous car and you want the highest level of safety possible, from a GNSS perspective that means you want the most advanced receiver as well as the most advanced transmitter. So, we are really focusing on the transmitter end and partnering with companies on the receiving end to get the best of both worlds.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">There&#39;s been a lot of discussion regarding how the Russian invasion of Ukraine has highlighted the value for key satellite-enabled services such as Earth Observation imagery or Starlink&#39;s internet service. Are you finding a similar focus around secure and highly precise GNSS services?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The situation in Ukraine has really shown how commercial companies can support national security efforts. One of the satellite services that has been most challenged in the defense and national security world for a long time is GPS. It&#39;s something that adversaries have historically known how to jam and disrupt.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We&#39;re building around the requirements and the needs of applications like autonomous cars. The needs of those applications are so rigorous in terms of resilience and resistance to interference that as a result, we can meet the needs of a lot of other industries including government and national security applications. In many of these cases, it is expected that GNSS is unavailable; and a global, resilient, and alternative PNT system is needed which simply does not exist today. So ultimately operating in space has a lot of applications that can certainly help towards national security and we believe that alternatives and complements to GPS like we are developing is one of those.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Can you share what you learned from your most recent demo deployment of your first satellite on the SpaceX Transport-5 mission? What milestones do you have planned ahead of you?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">We have learned a lot on that mission. Unfortunately we can&#39;t share too much just yet, other than that you&#39;re definitely going to want to stay tuned to see what we have coming up. </p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are you most excited about the future of the space industry?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In general, space is as useful as the services it can provide back on the earth. There&#39;s certainly space exploration and other space-for-space applications that are somewhat of a different category. However, most of what people are using space for is enhancing the human experience back here on earth.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I think there are a lot of analogies between what space is like today and what the oceans were like hundreds of years ago. If you asked somebody back then, &quot;What are you excited about the oceans?&quot; I think they might have said, &quot;The ability to connect people.&quot; </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Today the same is valid for space. The superpower of space is scalability and that you can cover the entire globe. You can build something that can provide value and enhancements to literally every person on the planet with only a few hundred pieces of satellite infrastructure. I think we are still seeing more and more new applications emerge. The obvious ones are Earth Observations and LEO broadband internet, but PNT is a huge one also. As these new technologies develop, I think space is a natural place to look to put infrastructure to support future technology, whether that&#39;s autonomy, augmented reality, or whatever else is going to come down the line. Because you can utilize that superpower of scalability to reach so many people with a generally limited set of infrastructure, it becomes a very efficient way to build something global.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-brian-manning-ceo-and-co-founder-of-xona-space"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe Now </span></a></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">What are the biggest challenges you see in building a space startup now?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">A lot of challenges that we face are due to the uniqueness of what we&#39;re building. So much of it is very novel. Part of why I&#39;m so excited to be working on this is that no one has really done what we are doing. If you look at who in the world has built navigation constellations, it&#39;s the U.S Government, the Chinese government, the Russian Government, the European Union, and now us. So there are a lot of new and different exciting challenges. It&#39;s inspiring to see how adaptable and quick this team can be in coming up with creative ways to overcome new challenges.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">At the start, there were a lot of things we hadn&#39;t considered that were really challenging about building a navigation constellation. We&#39;re taking it in stride and it&#39;s why, when we launched on the Transporter-5 mission in May, it established us, as far as we know, as the first ever privately funded company to get a navigation mission into space. That was a huge milestone for us, and the team here continues to get better every day. We expect to have a lot more exciting milestones to come behind it.</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;">Anything else you&#39;d like to touch upon that I haven&#39;t asked?</h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Well, we&#39;re <a class="link" href="https://www.xonaspace.com/careers?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=interview-with-brian-manning-ceo-and-co-founder-of-xona-space" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">hiring</a>!</p></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=0ff051ba-b474-4f5e-adbd-dd9b25cfcdb6&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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</style><div class='beehiiv__body'><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">At the start of 2022, the Biden administration stated that it plans to fund the International Space Station through the year 2030. This largely put an end to prior concerns that the station might be decommissioned and plummet into the Pacific Ocean as early as the middle of this decade due to funding limitations. That being said, a date is now set, beyond which the US and its international partners will no longer have access to this orbital destination that has been consistently inhabited since the year 2000.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=commercial-space-stations"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe now </span></a></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">So what&#39;s the plan after that? The US intends to hand off the process of managing a permanent orbital outpost over to commercial partners. Much like it has done with launching rockets, NASA would prefer to step back from the day-to-day responsibilities and costs of operating a space station in low Earth orbit. As a result, the stage has been set for commercial entities to vie for the opportunity to develop and manage their own commercial orbital space stations. These commercial entities will essentially own and operate orbital real estate, charging both government and commercial customers for access.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">NASA has already begun to provide funding to those commercial partners. In early 2020 it awarded $140M to Axiom Space in the first contract for a commercial destination module to be added to the International Space Station. In December 2021 NASA awarded three additional organizations a total of $415.6M to develop commercial space destinations. That funding included $130M to Blue Origin, $160M to Nanoracks, and $125.6M to Northrop Grumman.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">While these awards represent in themselves a burgeoning new commercial space market, I believe they are also critical for enabling the next generation of space-based enterprises. In this post, I will discuss in more detail these particular projects and what they aim to accomplish. In addition, I will address why I believe these commercial space stations will allow for a gradual trend away from vertical integration that I think is going to be helpful in facilitating a number of in-space services and products by reducing the capital hurdles to operating in space.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">First lets start with the stations:</p><hr class="content_break"><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Axiom Station</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Axiom Space&#39;s commercial operations in space began as a broker and organizer of private tourist trips to the International Space Station. The first of these trips was the Ax-1 mission in which four private individuals flew on a SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule launched atop a Falcon 9 rocket and traveled to the ISS where they stayed for 17 days, conducting scientific research, outreach, and commercial activities. Axiom intends to build upon this experience by adding its own habitable module to the ISS where it will be able to house tourists and research experiments. In 2020 Axiom received a contract with NASA, worth up to $140M, to develop this first commercial destination module on the ISS.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Ultimately, Axiom aims to introduce its own fully independent, free-flying commercial space station in low Earth orbit called Axiom Station. To do so, they are working with partner Thales Alenia space who will provide the first two pressurized modules for the space station. First, Axiom is developing a module to add to the International Space Station and extend the ISS&#39;s current capacity. Later, Axiom will detach that module from the ISS before the space station is decommissioned and use the module to support the independent Axiom Station.</p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/6b239175-d5f3-40b2-afd5-db212e40a43d/image.png"/></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Orbital Reef</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The Orbital Reef commercial space station is comprised of a partnership primarily between Blue Origin and Sierra Space. Other partners in the program include Boeing, Redwire Space, Genesis Engineering, and Arizona State University. It is intended as a mixed-use business park where customers can lease space aboard the station to conduct research or industrial manufacturing. Furthermore, more sophisticated customers with their own infrastructure can dock entire modules to the Orbital Reef station.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">The group plans to leverage components of each contributing partner. These include the New Glenn rocket from Blue Origin for launch access, the Dream Chaser spaceplane from Sierra Space for crew and cargo transportation, the Boeing Starliner for crew spacecraft, and deployable structures and payload operations from Redwire Space for microgravity research capabilities.</p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/24438/Screen_Shot_2022-03-30_at_5.32.03_PM.png"/><div class="image__source"><span class="image__source_text"><p>Rendering of Orbital Reef. Source: www.orbitalreef.com</p></span></div></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Starlab</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In 2020, Nanoracks launched the Bishop Airlock and docked it with the International Space Station. That marked the first commercially funded airlocked module to be placed in space. Nanoracks aims to ultimately develop their own private space stations that are completely independent form the ISS. The first of those is Starlab. The core of Starlab will be a research module called the George Washington Carver Science Park. </p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Nanorack&#39;s most significant partner on Starlab is Lockheed Martin, who will serve as the primary manufacturer and technical integrator on the project. The key elements of Starlab include the inflatable habitat, a metallic docking node, a power and propulsion element, a robotic arm for servicing cargo and payloads, and a state-of-the-art laboratory system. Starlab plans to be a continuously crewed commercial platform and will be able to host up to four astronauts conducting research at a time.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Nanoracks is a subsidiary of public company Voyager Space Holdings.</p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/062abba3-eb83-44b9-bc43-14346608b6b2/image.png"/></div><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>Northrop Grumman</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Northrop plans to leverage a number of existing technical capabilities as part of its free-flying space station program. These include its Cygnus spacecraft which is currently used to provide supplies to the ISS as well as the Mission Extension Vehicle (MEV) which is designed to offer a number of in-space services to other orbiting spacecraft. Northop will also build upon its experience building the moon orbiting Habitation and Logistics Outpost (HALO) module for NASA as part of the existing Lunar Gateway program.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Northrop has been less explicit about its partners in the development of its LEO space station. They have announced plans to build a team with &quot;unique capabilities and expertise&quot; which will include Dynetics as well as &quot;other partners to be announced in the coming months&quot;.</p><div class="image"><img class="image__image" style="" src="https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/b10f9123-619f-4bc9-adac-35543f67ee8a/image.png"/></div><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">Next, I&#39;ll discuss how these stations may impact the historical necessity for vertically integrating in space. But before we continue, learn how you can get free space swag by referring others to sign up for SpaceDotBiz:</p><h2 class="heading" style="text-align:left;"><b>A Path Away from Vertical Integration</b></h2><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In my opinion, these stations are increasingly critical to the space industry entering its next phase of economic development.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As we look to the future of the in-space economy, there are a number of highly ambitious operations and business cases emerging. These include applications like as in-space manufacturing, asteroid mining, spacecraft assembly, private tourism, propellent extraction, and others. A major challenge of these ventures is that the organizations seeking to accomplish those services must vertically integrate solutions for nearly every technical challenge along the way.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">What that means practically for example is that a company looking to manufacture valuable products in space must build an entirely contained spacecraft that can independently manufacture materials on orbit and then bring them back to Earth. As a result, the organization cannot solely focus on their manufacturing technology, but instead must also develop the power systems to support the manufacturing, create highly reliable robotics automation, and invent reentry capsules for bringing the end-products back safely to the planet&#39;s surface.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">In a future with commercial space stations, there is theoretically much less need to vertically integrate all these solutions. Instead, one can imagine a manufacturing company can simply send up their technology to a commercial space station, plug the system into the power provided by the station, hire a technician living on the space station to repair any failures in the manufacturing technology, and have the end products ship back from orbit aboard a reentry flight that is already scheduled. This allows the manufacturing company to concentrate much more intricately on its core technology.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">I&#39;m not suggesting that this route of operating on a commercial space station is necessarily the best path for any in-space manufacturing company. There are reasons why they may wish to build a technical moat around other parts of the process and still choose to vertically integrate. However, having this optionality of leveraging other technology would introduce new paths to starting businesses in space.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">As a result, I believe the biggest result of the partnerships that will ensue from these orbital habitats is that they will greatly reduce the capital intensity of starting a business that conducts operations in space. These orbital platforms will likely bridge the gap to a number of applications that at the moment cost hundreds of millions of dollars to reach any sort of operational scale.</p><p class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">While any individual reduction in capital barriers to entry is unlikely to completely open the floodgates to innovation in space, every incremental cost reduction helps when they are all aggregated. The ability to leverage orbital platforms, combined with the gradual reductions in launch costs and satellite components, only moves the needle closer to the ethereal concept often referred to as &quot;the democratization of space&quot;.</p><div class="button" style="text-align:center;"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" class="button__link" style="" href="https://www.spacedotbiz.com?utm_source=newsletter.spacedotbiz.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=commercial-space-stations"><span class="button__text" style=""> Subscribe now </span></a></div></div><div class='beehiiv__footer'><br class='beehiiv__footer__break'><hr class='beehiiv__footer__line'><a target="_blank" class="beehiiv__footer_link" style="text-align: center;" href="https://www.beehiiv.com/?utm_campaign=3dc43ef8-7d99-4b82-a032-a5013f5c5f2b&utm_medium=post_rss&utm_source=spacedotbiz">Powered by beehiiv</a></div></div>
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