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With the fourth largest economy in the world on the line, Jamie sits down with two candidates vying to lead the state: Matt Mahan, current Mayor of San Jose, and former LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

They cover the issues that matter most to Californians — homelessness, housing affordability, public safety, energy policy, criminal justice, unions, and the budget deficit.

Whether you're in California or not, who runs this state affects everyone. Tune in, learn where they stand, and decide for yourself.

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In this conversation, Rahm breaks down why talk of “regime change” is often misunderstood, the risks of military escalation in the Middle East, and why history shows that no country has ever successfully carried out regime change from the air alone.

Rahm also discusses the broader challenges facing the United States — from political instability at home to global leadership abroad — and why he believes these difficult times require serious leadership and national unity.

Topics covered in this episode include:

• What a U.S.–Iran conflict could look like

• Why “regime change from the air” doesn’t work

• The risks of escalation in the Middle East

• American leadership and global strategy

• Why the American dream feels increasingly out of reach

Rahm Emanuel previously served as Mayor of Chicago, White House Chief of Staff, and U.S. Ambassador to Japan.

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In this episode, Jamie sits down with investor, political strategist, and author Bradley Tusk to unpack the forces reshaping America — from political extremism and wealth inequality to AI-driven job displacement and the future of democracy itself.

Bradley is the founder of Tusk Ventures, creator of the Mobile Voting Project, former Deputy Governor of Illinois, and author of Vote With Your Phone. He’s worked with leaders like Michael Bloomberg, Andrew Yang, and Chuck Schumer — and has spent decades operating at the intersection of politics, technology, and power.

This conversation covers:

• Why low primary turnout empowers political extremists

• How mobile voting could change the structure of American democracy

• The rise of the “Radical Rest” — and why our institutions are failing most Americans

• Why 1% controlling 31% of the wealth is unsustainable

• Whether we’re “asking for a French Revolution”

• How AI could double U.S. energy consumption

• Why data centers may raise your electricity bill

• The coming wave of job displacement

• Universal Basic Income (UBI) as a response to automation

• Whether AI will concentrate power and wealth even further

From the future of elections to the future of work, this episode asks the uncomfortable question:

Are our institutions serving the public — or themselves?

If you care about democracy reform, wealth inequality, AI policy, UBI, mobile voting, climate solutions, or the future of American governance, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

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They break down the state of the Democratic Party, the 2026 midterm elections, and early thinking around potential 2028 presidential candidates—including Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Jon Stewart, and emerging political voices. Jessica shares her perspective on why Democrats struggle to communicate economic wins, how tariffs and cost-of-living issues are shaping voter sentiment, and what actually moves undecided voters today.

The discussion also covers the State of the Union’s declining impact, the role of independent media, political polarization, civil discourse, and the challenges of being the lone Democratic voice on Fox News. Plus, Jessica weighs in on protests, political activism, and where real leverage still exists in American democracy.

This episode is a must-watch for anyone interested in U.S. politics, media dynamics, elections, and the future of the Democratic Party.

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They discuss the growing loneliness crisis, the mental and physical toll of isolation, and why community and compassion are essential tools for healing—not just individually, but societally. Sharon Brous shares powerful stories from her book and lived experience about grief, bearing witness, staying present in discomfort, and why “fixing” is often the wrong instinct when someone is hurting.

This conversation also explores:

- Why loneliness threatens both mental health and democracy

- How to support people through grief without trying to solve it

- The importance of staying at the table with those you disagree with

- Faith as compassion, not ideology

- How sacred presence can transform families, friendships, and communities

This episode will challenge how you think about grief, disagreement, community, and what it really means to be human—while offering practical wisdom you can apply immediately in your own relationships.

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They unpack one of the biggest moments in modern media — SignalGate — including how the White House responded, the legal risks involved, and what it was like inside The Atlantic as the story broke. Nicholas also explains how The Atlantic went from losing money to becoming one of the most profitable and influential publications in the world, sharing insights on subscriptions, paywalls, and why chasing video and podcasts too early nearly sank legacy media.

The conversation goes deep on artificial intelligence: how AI will reshape journalism, healthcare, education, and elections, why Google may be winning the AI arms race, and what skills matter most for young people entering the workforce today. Nicholas also opens up about his book The Running Ground, surviving cancer, post-traumatic growth, and how running has shaped his life, leadership, and mindset.

Topics covered include:

- SignalGate and press freedom in the modern era

- The Atlantic’s business turnaround and media strategy

- AI’s impact on journalism, education, healthcare, and democracy

- Deepfakes, misinformation, and the future of trust

- Career advice for the next generation in an AI-driven world

- Running, resilience, and personal growth

If you’re interested in media, technology, AI, leadership, or the future of information, this episode offers rare, behind-the-scenes insight from one of the most thoughtful voices in modern journalism.

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Scott explains why unsubscribing from products, platforms, streaming services, banks, and brands you no longer align with may be more effective than outrage or performative activism. From the attention economy to corporate accountability, this conversation explores how economic pressure can drive real change.

Jamie and Scott also discuss:

- Why “Resist & Unsubscribe” is one of the smartest protest strategies today

- How consumer dollars shape politics, media, and power

- The challenge of letting go of conveniences we think we can’t live without

- Privilege, responsibility, and doing what you can instead of doing nothing

- Why economic protest may outlast outrage cycles

If you’re feeling overwhelmed, frustrated, or unsure how to take meaningful action, this episode offers a clear, practical framework for reclaiming your agency—one unsubscribe at a time.

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Topics: Scott Galloway, Resist and Unsubscribe, economic protest, consumer activism, attention economy, corporate accountability, politics and money, media influence, modern protest strategies, unsubscribing movement, social change.

In this episode, Jamie sits down with Richard Haass, one of the most respected voices in American foreign policy, to unpack why the post-World War II world order may be over — and why there’s “zero chance” of going back to the way things were.

They discuss:

- Why Richard Haass believes Trump ended an 80-year era

- The real meaning behind Trump’s comments on Greenland

- Whether Europe could “call Trump’s bluff”

- NATO, alliances, and the collapse of predictability

- Ukraine, Russia, Iran, and rising global instability

- Why trust — once broken — doesn’t reset after elections

- What comes after the U.S.-led world order

This is a clear, sober conversation about power, alliances, democracy, and why the world feels more unstable than it has in decades.

If you’re trying to understand what actually changed — and why it matters — this conversation is essential listening.

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Stevenson traces his personal journey from growing up in the Jim Crow South to defending individuals on death row, unpacking how America’s legal system has long treated people “better if you’re rich and guilty than if you’re poor and innocent.” He explains why true justice requires more than laws—it requires truth-telling, proximity to suffering, narrative change, hope, and the courage to do uncomfortable things.

This conversation explores:

• Why America has never fully confronted the legacy of slavery, lynching, segregation, and racial terror

• How storytelling, film, and culture shape — and can repair — our collective moral narrative

• The difference between policy fixes and moral repair

• Why hopelessness is the enemy of justice

• What real accountability and repair could look like in America

• The role creators, artists, and leaders play in shaping the future of justice

Stevenson also shares unforgettable personal stories—from confronting racial humiliation in courtrooms to moments of unexpected reconciliation at lynching sites—that illuminate what justice looks like when truth is finally acknowledged.

This is not a conversation about politics.

It’s a conversation about moral responsibility, historical truth, and the future we are choosing to build.

If you care about justice, storytelling, leadership, or the soul of America—this is an essential listen.

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The discussion explores Scaramucci’s long history within the Republican Party, his role in the 2016 Trump campaign, and why he ultimately broke with Trump publicly. They dive into themes of political identity, Trumpism, media outrage, cancel culture, money in politics, and the growing divide in American democracy. Scaramucci also shares insights on populism, gerrymandering, social media radicalization, and why he believes the U.S. is approaching a critical moment of political reckoning.

Later in the conversation, Scaramucci addresses the crisis facing young men in America, drawing from his work on the Lost Boys podcast, and discusses leadership, accountability, and what meaningful reform could look like heading into 2026 and 2028.

This episode offers a rare insider perspective on the Trump White House, modern American politics, and the personal cost of power — from someone who lived it.

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Drawing from personal experience—including the 2011 shooting of his wife, former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords—Senator Kelly explains how mass shootings, school shootings, and everyday gun violence continue to traumatize communities across the United States. He discusses why America stands out globally for gun violence, the long-term psychological impact on young people, and what meaningful gun reform could look like moving forward.

This episode explores why gun violence has become normalized in American life, the policy failures that allow it to persist, and what accountability and action could change the trajectory.

This is not a partisan debate—it’s a conversation about public safety, children’s lives, and whether the United States is willing to confront a crisis that affects everyone.

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In this conversation, Jamie Patricof sits down with Congresswoman Sarah McBride to break down one of the most overlooked forces in American politics: why persuadable voters walk away from the Democratic Party even when they share the same values.

Sarah explains the psychology of voters who feel pushed out, why “imperfect allies” matter, how coalition-building really works, and how Democrats unintentionally shrink their own tent. She also lays out the stakes of the current healthcare crisis, why affordability is becoming the defining issue for 2025, and what it will take to build a durable majority that can actually govern.

If you’re interested in political strategy, voter behavior, democracy reform, or understanding why elections are won and lost in the middle—this is a must-watch episode.

What we cover:

– Why so many voters feel rejected by Democrats

– How moral purity tests shrink the coalition

– The danger of pushing away imperfect allies

– Voter psychology and political identity

– Affordability, healthcare, and the 2025 landscape

– The “$1 trillion healthcare bomb”

– How Democrats can actually win again

– Why listening matters more than lecturing

– Building a bigger, stronger, more curious political movement

– What Sarah McBride believes the Democratic Party must do next

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Jamie Patricof hosts candid political conversations centered on democracy, common sense, affordability, and real solutions. Each episode highlights voices shaping the future of our country — without the noise, outrage, or partisanship.

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Topics: Epstein files, MAGA dynamics, Democratic strategy, healthcare, Big Tech & digital dopamine, Alzheimer’s crisis, education reform, trade schools, new cities & urban planning.

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In this powerful interview, Beto explains why, in his words, “America has bent the knee to Donald Trump,” and what needs to change for the country to fight back. He shares his firsthand view of how Texas politics, gerrymandering, and voter suppression have shaped national elections — and how his organization, Powered by People, is working to turn the tide before 2026.

This episode dives into:

The fight for democracy and what’s at stake in 2026

How Texas became the front line of America’s political divide

The role of leadership, unity, and courage in an age of fear

Why local action and grassroots organizing still matter

Beto’s message for Americans who feel powerless to create change

Whether you follow U.S. politics, care about Texas elections, or just want to understand how Donald Trump’s influence continues to shape the country, this conversation with Beto O’Rourke is essential listening.

Guest: Beto O’Rourke

Host: Jamie Patricof – Lunch with Jamie Podcast

Watch the full interview to hear why Beto says, “Our knees don’t bend — especially not in Texas.”

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We discuss the challenges facing Democrats in 2025, the ongoing fight for voting rights, the impact of redistricting in Texas, and what it really takes to be an effective leader in today’s polarized political environment. Jasmine opens up about her journey, her frustrations with dysfunction in Washington, and what she believes Democrats must do to reconnect with voters before 2026.

Topics Discussed:

• The realities of serving in today’s Congress

• How Texas redistricting could shape the next election

• The future of the Voting Rights Act

• Building back trust between Democrats and working-class voters

• Jasmine’s thoughts on leadership and accountability in Washington

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We dive into:

• The human cost of the government shutdown and expiring ACA premium credits

• How the affordability crisis threatens American democracy

• Why Democrats need a clear, affirmative agenda to win back trust

• The danger of losing Voting Rights Act protections and what it means for representation

• His stance on Israel, free speech, and rising antisemitism

• Why local politics and new media matter more than ever

• Torres’s remarkable journey from the Bronx to the House of Representatives

This episode reveals the values and leadership style of one of the most thoughtful and independent voices in Congress.

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From his time serving under President Barack Obama to his ongoing fight for voting rights and fair elections, Holder reflects on the challenges facing our legal system, the politicization of the Supreme Court, and what it will take to restore trust in America’s institutions.

Holder discusses the battle over democracy, why protecting the rule of law is more critical than ever, and how everyday citizens can help strengthen the foundations of our republic.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Eric Holder on the state of American democracy

• Why voting rights remain under threat — and how to defend them

• The role of the Supreme Court in shaping justice

• Lessons from his time in the Obama administration

• How we rebuild faith in our political and legal systems

If you care about justice, leadership, and the future of democracy, this conversation is one you won’t want to miss.

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From grilling presidents and dictators, to navigating the collapse of shared facts in our politics, Sackur shares what he’s learned about power, free speech, and the future of investigative reporting. Known for his rigorous but empathetic style, Sackur pulls back the curtain on why journalism is struggling to survive — and why our democracies may not survive without it.

This conversation dives deep into the decline of fact-based reporting, the dangers of misinformation, and the question at the heart of our time: can truth still win?

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why the BBC cancelled HARDtalk after nearly 20 years

• How Stephen Sackur became one of the world’s toughest interviewers

• Why journalism is in crisis across the globe

• The connection between misinformation, polarization, and democracy’s decline

• Why free speech — even speech you hate — still matters

• Sackur’s next project: a book on the rise and fall of investigative journalism

If you care about truth, journalism, and the future of democracy, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss.

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From the January 6 pardons and what they signal, to why antisemitism sits at the core of modern white nationalism, they trace the roots of militia movements, Charlottesville’s wake-up call, and how online ecosystems recruit young people—often starting as “jokes.” They also get practical: curiosity over combat, local organizing over cable-news theater, and “desegregating” our daily lives so we actually talk—and listen—across differences. Eric shares lessons from his punk rock days and why targeted, universal solutions beat zero-sum politics.

Whether you care about democracy, public safety, or bridging the red/blue divide, this conversation is candid, nuanced, and focused on solutions.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

  •  The ripple effects of the January 6 pardons and what comes next

  •  Why antisemitism animates today’s white nationalist movement

  •  How militias evolved from the 1980s to present—and why that matters now

  •  Charlottesville as a turning point (and what we learned—and forgot)

  •  Practical ways to build trust locally and talk across political lines

  •  How youth get pulled into hate online—and how adults can interrupt it

  •  Eric’s punk-rock to civil-rights journey and what it teaches about community

👉 If you care about democracy, community safety, and finding common ground, you won’t want to miss this episode.

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From Donald Trump and the role of media in politics, to the future of AI regulation, Hollywood consolidation, and the decline of legacy journalism, Kara doesn’t hold back. She also reflects on her career covering Silicon Valley, why she believes tech companies will own entertainment, and how she thinks media must evolve to survive.

Whether you’re interested in big tech, political power, or the future of news, this conversation is as unfiltered as it gets.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

• Kara Swisher on Trump, politics, and media accountability

• Why she thinks Hollywood will be owned by big tech

• The future of AI regulation (and why Ted Cruz may play a role)

• How journalism has changed in the age of disinformation

• Her take on the decline of legacy media and what comes next

• Stories from her career covering Silicon Valley and Washington, D.C.

👉 If you care about technology, politics, and the future of media, you won’t want to miss this episode.

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From Donald Trump’s health and the rise of authoritarianism, to JD Vance’s role in the MAGA movement, to the future of the Democratic Party in 2028 and beyond — nothing is off the table.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

• Trump’s health, JD Vance, and the authoritarian threat ahead

• How Republicans use power vs. how Democrats often hesitate

• Why mainstream media is failing — and how Midas Touch is fighting back

• The danger of clickbait and disinformation in a polarized nation

• What the Democratic Party must do to win in 2028 and beyond

• The real issues voters care about: affordability, healthcare, and global conflicts

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What we cover in this episode:

• The impact of social media on political polarization and democracy

• Why Gen Z faces unique mental health struggles

• How institutions are losing trust—and what it takes to restore it

• The dangers of moral absolutism and echo chambers

• Why open dialogue and viewpoint diversity are critical for progress

• Haidt’s perspective on solutions for America’s cultural divide

Jonathan Haidt’s work has been central to understanding the psychological foundations of politics and morality. This conversation offers not just critique—but hope.

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What you’ll hear in this episode:

- How Texas redistricting impacts voting rights and representation

- The political strategies behind drawing district lines

- Jasmine Crockett’s journey from activism to Congress

- Why the fight for fair maps is critical for marginalized communities

- The future of Texas politics and what voters need to know

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From gerrymandering in Texas to the national failure to invest in long-term outreach, Chuck lays out a clear picture of where the Democratic Party is falling short—and how Latino voters are poised to decide the next election.

This isn’t just about campaign strategy. It’s about power, representation, and building real political infrastructure that lasts.

In this episode:

• Why Latino voters are not a political monolith

• The long-term damage of ignoring Latino communities

• How Texas redistricting diluted Latino power

• What campaigns should be doing right now

• Chuck’s own journey from labor organizer to top political strategist

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Mallory shares her approach to connecting with voters, why staying true to your values matters more than playing the “political game,” and her vision for the future of Michigan.

Topics we cover include:

• The pressure to perform on social media as a candidate

• Why authenticity often comes at a cost in politics

• How Michigan’s future is shaped by Gen Z and Millennial leadership

• Mallory’s approach to building trust in a polarized climate

• The impact of algorithms on public discourse

• Balancing personal values with public expectations

If you want a closer look at the leaders shaping tomorrow, this conversation is a must-listen.

They dive into:

• Whether Israel has “gone too far” in Gaza

• The future of U.S. foreign policy and America’s global standing

• Zakaria’s take on Trump’s international impact (and Nobel Prize odds)

• The unraveling of liberal democracy

• Immigration, higher education, and the rise of anti-institutionalism

Whether you’re a policy wonk or just trying to make sense of global headlines, this episode is a must-listen.

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We discussed Ukraine, the gutting of U.S.A.I.D, Elon Musk, the troubling rise of authoritarianism across the globe, Anne’s optimism about the resilience of democracy, and much more.

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